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Trump Medicare pick Dr. Oz says uninsured ‘don’t have right to health’ in resurfaced clip
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Even the people who pay for insurance don't have rights either.
Americans have eaten at the garbage pale of ideology for so long, they genuinely believe "rights" really are God Given and self-executing. What does a "right" to health care get you without a public health care system?
Who overrules the hospital administrators that would rather shovel you onto the curb than have the physicians in their employee extend you care? Who overrules the AMA when it caps the number of licenses to provide or schools to issue those licenses or lobbies to limit the number of medical centers capable of providing care?
Health care has to come from somewhere. Doctors need training. Offices need equipment. X-Ray machines need electricity. Patients need a place they can go to receive care. As folks from the UK to Cuba to Gaza have discovered, if you're denied the resources to provide the health care you have a right to, it isn't worth much.
The obvious answer is that Medicare for All would be a great place to start in the USA. If not that, then laws limiting the ridiculous profits of insurance companies and regulating payouts would be another option, combined with some kind of Medicare for the poor that is better than the current Medicaid bullshit they have available.
Most of all, ensuring that doctors rather than insurance companies are deciding the care plan would save many lives per year.
Insurance companies should be forced to be nonprofits.
Edit: I mean we should have MfA but at the least hospitals and insurance companies should be nonprofit.
That wouldn’t work because there is no regulation. It’s very easy to spend all profits on stock buybacks and say you’re now non profit
Nonprofits are non stock issuing; since there are no shares, they can’t have any buybacks.
Yes, and I agree, but I don’t see how Multi factor Authentication enters into this argument…
Haha well we should have 2Factor but I just meant Medicare for All
Nonprofits also act like for-profits, for example giving absurd salaries to the C suite, planning luxury retreats as business trips, hiring friends as consultants and paying expensive compensation for nothing, and so on
I saw many "cancer research" non profits that waste most of donations in bullshit and then give what's left to actual research grants
Yes this can happen, though it should be noted that a nonprofit health insurer would be regulated differently than a nonprofit research institute that isn’t responsible for providing or reimbursing care.
There can be corruption in governments and government programs too — but still the data says they do a better job at optimizing public health than for profit environments. Not letting perfect be the enemy of good, or better, it’s pretty clear from what I can gather that non profit is better than for profit, and optimized single payer is better than both of those.
Most hospitals are nonprofits.
So are several large health insurance companies, such as Blue Cross Blue Shield and Kaiser Permanente.
Guess what: nonprofits deny care too. So do single-payer health care systems.
I’m not suggesting it’s perfect — I’m suggesting it’s better. I’m suggesting optimizing a healthcare system around profit instead of population level health measures shouldn’t be done. I’m not suggesting that making things be non profit or single payer will magically resolve all issues, only that it will be better.
OK, but you can already find health care that is not optimized around profit. Just sign up for BCBS (which is available in most places) and choose a nonprofit medical center as your PCP (which are easy to find since they greatly outnumber for-profit medical centers).
I suspect you may find that this leads to slightly higher premiums. After all, one of the reasons UHC denies so many claims is to keep their premiums low. But in health care, you generally get what you pay for.
Not all BCBS plans are nonprofit actually. And most comparisons I can find for nonprofit medical facilities show lower costs. I haven’t found many studies on pure on profit health insurance vs for profit insurance, but I did find a Harvard paper which compared specifically BCBS plans that converted from non profit to for profit, and here’s an excerpt from that:
Here NP is nonprofit, FP is for profit, and NFP is not for profit. Bold emphasis is mine. You can read the study here:
https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication%20Files/20130370_manuscript_c83842eb-f97b-4c84-b356-c72d163dff9b.pdf
So I would find actually the opposite of what you said, in aggregate, according to this study. Secondly, I still argue for expanded Medicaid and a public option / single payer. I’ve worked with large population datasets from US and internationally — invariably the health outcomes and monitoring, quality of data and followup, are all better for single payer systems.
Interesting paper!
Thank you for the link.
I like the AOC idea of rapidly decreasing the Medicare age until it hits zero.
Fun fact: two of those three have far better outcomes than the US for profit system and the last one likely would if not for the US government supplying the bombs and political cover to destroy it.
Basically all you've managed to prove is that you're ignorant about the quality and availability of health care in other countries and will compare for profit healthcare to genocide and ethnic cleansing in order to make it look good.
They're right about the God given rights thing though. People really heard God given and thought that meant nobody could take them away.
That's why I never used that silly phrase. Rights aren't given to you by a magical sky daddy. They're given by and enforced by mutual agreement between people who won't put up with their friends and neighbors being treated unfairly.
Are you a Bit dumb or just pretending to be?
All of this can be solved with Legislation, and even the shittiest place in the UK has better health Outcomes and Life Expectancy than the average US Citizen
https://images.app.goo.gl/Tx5AND8ixrFqxc5n8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_Cat
A great idea that nobody can accomplish isn't so great.
Well all other developed Nations have figured it Out and achieve significantly better Outcomes than the richest Counties in the US.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561
Maybe Just Accept that you are wrong
What is happening to life expectancy in England?
The UK government is heavily captured by American finance and tech. They're plunging down to our level quickly, despite the NHS (which they state is rapidly defunding and privatizing).
Canada, Germany, and Japan all have the same problems. They're gutting their golden geese.
Developed nations did figure it out two generations ago, but have since forgotten in the fog of profit chasing and growth for the sake of Big Number Go Up.