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I just love baseless confidence.
Let's be hearing them, then.
Lol!
"You won.
Lol!"
Everyone who didn't vote got what they asked for. There were two options. If someone thinks there's better days ahead so be it, but what's coming up is part of that same decision. There is no one else to blame. If the pain is worth the long term benefit, then fine, but it was an active and informed choice. The bodies that result were deemed acceptable in service of a better 2028.
Do tell... how does the meaning of the term democracy turn into an enforced choice between a mere "two options" inside your head? "Two options" that, let us not forget, share more similarities than differences and are inevitably designed to benefit the powerful elites that CURATED these choices FOR you?
the only thing they clearly wanted was no winner
That was not an option on the table. Again, if you think it'll lead to a better tomorrow so be it, but acknowledge the bodies paving the road.
voting makes them responsible for the bodies.
Yeah... so does not... that's the whole damn trolley problem thing... there were clear and defined outcomes for not pulling the switch. May have been justifiable, not even debating that, but you still own the choice.
doesn't have an answer. it's a thought experiment to expose your personal ethics. deontologists never touch the switch.
deontologists still get splattered, even if it's the correct choice.
but they have no responsibility for the circumstances.
Didn't say they did. People die none the less. If that's acceptable that's fine, but call it what it is: An acceptable loss.
it is immoral to flip the switch and murder someone. that doesn't make the situation acceptable
I don't disagree, it doesn't change that you need to own the bodies as an acceptable loss.
no, you don't need to accept it.
doesn't make much difference to the bodies
except that you're not locked in a booth, so there actually are things you can do besides pull a lever.
I'm done with this, but no, there was not. I respect and acknowledge anyone choosing a protest, I really do. I'm a registered libertarian for gods sakes. There we two choices, one was going to win, the other wasn't. If the reason someone allowed people to die was because less people would die in the future so be it, when it came down to it, that was the only choice on the table. Would have loved if it was different, but it wasn't. You don't get to avoid the splatter.
there are still things you can do to save the people endangered by both your vote and the people who voted for the other candidate
Endangered by my vote? I don't like the splatter I'm getting. In fact I hate it, but I do own it. I tried to get less of it to wipe off.
I thought you were done
think of all the people who Kamala would have imprisoned, deported, or shipped the bombs to kill. go do something to save them.
you can't be responsible for something you didn't cause. that's not how responsibility works.
There are differing opinions on that depending on which philosopher is at the switch. What doesn't change is they all have to watch the carnage.
but some of them choose to become murderers
No, all of them did. Through action or inaction. So again, if it was in service of a better tomorrow so be it, but it is what it is.
you can't murder through inaction, unless words don't mean anything.
why wouldn't you show the whole paragraph?
this is cherrypicking
I don’t understand how can it be cherry-picking when it is a reply to a comment, which stated in it’s entirety
the full definition requires an act. you cherry picked one ambiguously worded section.
Summaries are by definition ambiguous. They’re quick overviews of a subject, not in-depth analysis. If I wanted to cherry pick like a troll, I wouldn’t have linked to a source, which itself has footnotes.
As far as US law is concerned, it is entirely possible to murder through inaction. That is my only point.
that's not what your source says.
We understand English differently. There’s no point in continuing this conversation.
have a nice day
Thanks. You too!
It ["depraved heart" murder] is the form [of murder] that establishes that the wilful doing of a dangerous and reckless act with wanton indifference to the consequences and perils involved is just as blameworthy, and just as worthy of punishment, when the harmful result ensues as is the express intent to kill itself. This highly blameworthy state of mind is not one of mere negligence... It is not merely one even of gross criminal negligence... It involves rather the deliberate perpetration of a knowingly dangerous act with reckless and wanton unconcern and indifference as to whether anyone is harmed or not.
Murder, maybe not, but "allow to die through in-action" sure can.