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Lots of elections are not tied to the electoral college. Aren't there elected judges, sherrif, senators, etc, state level elections. Oh no it's useless if we can't have a 3rd party president win the next election. So we'll just keep hoping the nice billionaires win the next one. My province has been voting a party that only place people in our province and will never be in power. The rest of the country is often pissed off because we still manage to defend our values by being in the opposition.
But most third parties aren't oriented to winning or holding office. Honestly if you look at the rhetoric of lots of them they seem to be more oriented towards keeping Democrats out. I don't vote for democrats. I vote against Republicans. But every time I go vote in local elections. There are many many offices I leave blank. Because Republicans are running unopposed. I've said many times I would love to see third parties running for these offices that Democrats aren't concerned about. But they don't seem to be concerned about those in all but one or two states. And even those are kind of iffy.
Part of why that happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKgNrshVdMw
I am of the opinion that Adam generally makes everything better. And his talk about reigniting community. As an anarchist that resonates intensely. But that video has nothing to do with why no third party groups bother to campaign at all in red states where Republicans are running unopposed. There are no green party candidates for local offices. There are no Democratic or Social Democratic candidates for local offices if we have a Libertarian it's a right-wing libertarian and there will often worse than the Republican but that's the closest we ever get to third party out here I think Adam is 100% on the right track for what Democrats need to do. But what third parties need to do is actually run for local and State office. As well as the stuff that Adam spoke of.
Absolutely, and guess how many offices, both state and national the Green Party - arguably the biggest current 3rd party in the country has? G’wan guess.
That’s right! 153 people in the country were elected as Greens so the Electoral College doesn’t come close to applying. As far as representing my political preferences in the Water District Board of Directors or the Advisory Neighborhood Commission, they’re bringing the revolution to the halls of power slowly but . . . Well, slowly.
As for those billionaires who decide who runs, I don’t really like to be called a billionaire mostly because i’m about a billion dollars short of it, but I have a say in my parties’ candidates by participating.
If everyone scrabbling to eke out a tenuous coalition had any support we’d be getting somewhere with third parties. But we’re not largely because there isn’t support for them. The people in here blowing hard about “oooh don’t vote, it’s all a scam” and “gEnOciDe JoE” do absolutely nothing to support any political organization, and that’s why they disappeared - they were never going to do anything anyway, they just had a mandate to shit on the Democrats and that job is done.
Libertarian party is the strongest third-party and has 186 elected representatives
Gross, almost worse than republicans
And I say the Green Party is gross because it’s worse than democrats
I stand arguably corrected.
So just stop rather than trying to get more elected? Absolutely wish Harris had been elected rather than fuck face mctarrifs. But USA don't even have a centre-left, it's right and far right. The Dems keep losing to the far right, why would they bother moving aven an inch left if there is no one there ?
His full title is actually: his excellency, rapist in chief, pedophile plenipotentiary, amorphous adulterer, freelance felon, the dishonorable Donald Jerkface Trump.
You'd have to define center-left in terms of American.
On here, center-left is deemed to be the malodorous goblins of corporate sleaze, but left is wanting trump to win, so - I dunno. It's weird.
Lemmy != Average america either...dominated by Americans but a very specific set.
TBH other than blatantly and aggregiously lying their ass off in the last referendum about what a split would be like, the BQ actually have decent policies and it would be nicr for all provinces to have that at the federal level.
Then BC would get the number of seats it should have at least.
The point I'm trying to make is influence. Strongly Voting for bloc pulls the other parties policies toward our point of view so they can get at least some seats. Or risk being a minority government. Having a Bernie/ Cortez party running on the left for Senate and the house would have much more pull than they have now. They still could say voir for Harris as president but pour out his on the rest of the ballot. But I can tell even the ideas that they could start changing is offensive.
Not at all, in fact Bernie is in the unofficial largest 3rd party (sorry Libertarians), the Independents. Now of course that's not a party as such, but that was his compromise.
If Bernie and AOC say jump, I'll say how high. But Nothing's new there and we're totally fuX0r3d for the next four years because Jill Stein and a russian op doppelganger crew decided trump for all. Third party? We'll be lucky to have the remnants of a civil society.
Bernie said vote for Harris, but all the "leftist" trolls just ignore that part.
It was a complete coincidence that their positions aligned exactly with russian troll farms. What were the odds?? Amazing.