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[Cars] Norway on track to be first to go all-electric (www.bbc.com)
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"Norway is the world leader when it comes to the take up of electric cars, which last year accounted for nine out of 10 new vehicles sold in the country."

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[–] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You’re incredibly confident for being so blatantly incorrect.

We had negative 30 C last winter. I drove my EV to work every single day. When the batteries were cold I had reduced power available, which made no difference at all as it was -30 C and snow everywhere.
Using the battery also heats it up. Zero pre-heating of the batteries. I can literally watch my available power return while driving normally.

If batteries wouldn’t work in the extreme cold, they would not be able to turn over the starter on your ICE car either, which it very clearly does….

You are literally arguing against something close to a million people do in Norway every single day between November and March. Open a map and look how far north we stretch. Oslo is as far north as Vancouver. People live and drive EV’s in Hammerfest.

So please, just stop. You are dead wrong about batteries/EV’s, but take this chance to learn something new.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well we just had snow sweep across the eastern US last week, nowhere near as cold as Norway, and just that was enough to brick the cars and freeze up the charging stations to the point of barely working. So let us know where you all are getting these magic batteries.

We also had EV’s catching fire in the southern US throughout the summer. Not sure why the anti-hydrogen crowd is dead set on us forcing EV’s into these environments where it’s problematic.

[–] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The exact same batteries as you have in your EV’s, which is why you are either ill-informed or lying. I am guessing it’s the first, so I am arguing in good faith.

Just take a step back: A country with 5,5 million people and 93% of all new cars are EV’s. Who has more knowledge on how they work in the cold? You, my new found friend on Lemmy, or us?
Not trying to be snarky, but we drive them every single day in winter. Batteries do not need to be heated to work, so please stop spreading this lie.
They DO however need a certain battery temp to charge, but that’s a different discussion.

I’m not arguing against hydrogen cars. I am just correcting some if the claims you have made.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did you read your own links at all before sending them?

Tesla owners line up, hoping to get a charge.

You need more chargers. Not the cars fault.

A charge that should take 45 minutes is taking two hours.

Yes, like I said: cold batteries charge slower. This is well known. Drive a bit before expecting to push 200 kW into a frozen battery. I’ve ghit my max (155 kW) many times.

Other drivers spoke about how the cold seemed to drain their batteries more quickly than normal.

Also well known. All cars use more energy to heat up the cabin in winter, including ICE vehicles.

Other Tesla drivers report no issues.

Crazy, it works for some. Maybe they have these magical batteries you accused us of having?

"We do get less mileage on the battery in extreme temps which means we have to charge more often" in the cold, she added.

Which nobody ever denied being true.

The problems that are being reported this week seem to center on long lines at Supercharger stations, Maslan said. But she adds that in nearly 10 years of owning a Tesla, she's never had to wait for a Supercharger slot. Other than being mindful of the potential for reduced range, she concluded, "I've never had a problem driving the car due to the cold."

Incredible! Her car must be exported from Norway! Zero issues in 10 years, just like we experience here! Unbelieveable.

I’m out of this argument now. You have demonstrated that you have absolutely zero knowledge of how EV’s work and you are a waste of everybodys time and energy.
Stay clueless and ignorant, I don’t really care, but for anyone reading this in the future: surph_ninja literally argued batteries don’t work in the cold in a thread about EV’s being sold in the frozen hellhole called Norway. The irony is incredible.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You’re having trouble sticking to a lane. Is it ‘there are no issues’ or ‘the issues are known’?

These known issues are not a problem for hydrogen.

[–] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Then don’t heat up the battery, and see if it runs. Won’t work, because EV’s have to heat up the battery to get it working, because **they don’t function in extreme cold.**.

Literally your quote that I responded to and the lane I’ve been trying to stick to and make you admit is blatantly wrong.
You still haven’t which is proof to the rest of us you are ether a troll or an idiot.