It's their shot to call to move themselves. Telling everyone else to move feels shitty. I imagine a lot of people will prefer to stay on blahaj, so we'll likely have to create a c/197 or something. It would've been so much easier to just hand over the reigns to someone else, put up a post with "hey, the core mod team is moving, you can find us over here", and let community members decide which one, or both, communities they feel better about participating in. From the reactions on the blahaj post, not many community members agree with this move.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It is also their shot to move the Commnity.

If there are so many people angry about this, a new community will soon emerge. The only thing "lost" if people over at blahaj.zone create 197 would be the number of subscribers. And when so many people are so upset about the change, you could assume they would willingly flock to this new community. Like People did with !risa@startrek.website and !tenforward@lemmy.world.

But if this doesn’t happen, it would mean that people are not angry enough to make such a move or just don't care enough about a change like that. For example, I don't really care at all. I was already subscribed here and didn't even notice anything at first. But if they had moved to lemmy.ml (for example), I would have cared enough not to follow and maybe even start my own 196.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You spot the difference between that comparison and the current case tho, right? Both Startrek communities are still unlocked and flourishing. By all means, make a new 196 on .world if you prefer it. But don't lock the old one for people who can't, or don't want to, move. That's just petty.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Both Startrek communities are still unlocked and flourishing.

!risa@startrek.website has 33 Users per day.

!tenforward@lemmy.world has 1.57K Users per day.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Both have posts recently. And anyone can go on either community and post or comment something right now. Is size the most important metric? Reddit has millions of active users

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is size the most important metric?

It seems so. Because that would be the only real difference to a completely new community or did I miss something?

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Very quick question: does a community belong to its mods or its members?

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect the opinions of Moss or any other person on the mod team, or even anyone else in general:

I believe the community on Lemmy, "the page" if you like, belongs to the admin/founder of the community.

The community, "the people," belong to themselves. We are no livestock, after all.

So while I say the admin of "the page" can do with their page as they like (assuming there are no other rules in place forbidding them from doing so, either at the community or instance level), I believe that it's everyone's own choice to come, go, leave, or stay.

I, for one, would not have followed 196 to lemmy.ml, for example (I know this would never happen, but lemmy.ml is the only non-defederated instance I don't like). And if people don't want to follow 196 to .world, it's their choice. But it's the admin's choice to move "the page" there.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Preventing people from using the previous community seems overreacting.

They could just have moved to LW and kept the Blahaj version open.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Perhaps. We will all know more once Moss gets back to my message :)

And I would postpone until then :D

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago

Okay then. Moss+team didn't create 196 on LBZ. Someone else did, then abandoned it. Ada gave them mod so the community could be reactivated. Now that they don't want to moderate 196 on LBZ anymore, would it not be justified for someone else to take over, instead of locking it down? So far, I haven't seen a single argument in favor of the lock down. Lei the people who want to leave, leave, end everyone else stay. Or both. That's the beauty of the fediverse.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Startrek.website is known for power tripping, which is why the new community was created: https://lemmy.world/post/10461985

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, and because they were unhappy with how the moderation was handled, they left and made their own community. Which is always a possibility. This is exactly my point! :D

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But this is a different situation.

In Star Trek, members were unhappy with the moderation and created their own community.

For 196, the members are happy with the community, the mods want to change instances for "reasons". They could leave the old community open and let the admin organize the follow up, but instead they lock it down, preventing any of the happy members to take over.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

In Star Trek, members were unhappy with the moderation and created their own community.

And as far as I know, the mod team was unhappy how blahaj.zone was moderrated and moved their community.