For the record, I kind of agree with the outcome here. The mods are getting enough pushback and you escalating it to name calling did not advance the wellbeing or outcome for either side.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That's fair.

I was just being really frustrated with that mod not having a local account, and not being recognizing that was an issue. That's basic knowledge that every mod has that you won't get the reports from a non-local account.

When you go through this comment from Ada, it's even more blatant that Ada had to do the heavy lifting on the moderation: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20976989/12493554

People are allowed to make mistakes, to be clueless. But trying to throw Ada and Blahaj under the bus because they didn't just cared enough to create a post on Blahaj meta community just seemed weird to me.

[–] fracture@beehaw.org 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

ada's post was literally to clarify that the mods of c/196 were doing things, there's just some issues with federation that led to them experiencing friction with their differing moderation styles

i agree that she probably had a hand in influencing the culture and vibe of the community, but to say that she was doing the heavy lifting seems like you're missing the entire point of her post

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

My frustration with 196 is that having their reports hang around for a couple of days was a semi regular thing, which made admining more difficult, because there were always active reports in my notifications that I couldn’t close. I asked for them to put on blahaj based mods, or spin up blahaj alts, which they did, and that improved things, but because they were alts and the majority of the mods were still remote, the problem never entirely went away

That's what I based myself upon. Obviously, she doesn't give metrics, but still seems like the alt issue was communicated and should really have been addressed or even just acknowledged at some point.

[–] fracture@beehaw.org 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

again, in the quote, it says they did mitigate it and that it just "never entirely went away"

i'm not saying that they couldn't have done more, or that it didn't add to ada's workload. but they did at least do something about it. it was acknowledged, it was addressed (albeit poorly)

it sounds like it was kind of irritating for ada and it's probably not very convenient to constantly remember to swap to your alt, so i understand how this conflict is happening. i think it's more an issue around the nuances of federation and maybe even how the lemmy codebase itself handles it and possibly sucks in this case

but mostly, it seems like an issue between ada and the mods, not... the community and the mods. there's plenty to rag on them about here without including this issue. they still have clear ideological differences about moderation, they still obviously thought the community belonged to them and it was their choice to migrate it and where. those are still VERY problematic and more than enough to dislike them and call for them to stand down

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago

there’s plenty to rag on them about here without including this issue.

Oh, definitely. But to nuance what I said above, it was the straw that broke the camel's back: how can you literally say "it's fine, I don't need a local account so that I can actually mod here, and anyway it wasn't my fault because Blahaj never gave me one!" Like, seriously? And the issue here was the tone used to talk to the community.