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Am I projecting? What do you think, fellow lemmings?

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[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's the looming boiling point. More and more people understand things are going to come to a head Sooner Than Predicted™.

What we're seeing is grief, but multiplied by billions

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't know why you were downvoted but you're absolutely right. We thought we were moving in the right direction, only to have the foundations blown out from under us.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Not downvoted, I just remove the default upvote which comes with posts/comments, it irks me.

To add to that, most of us didn't have a say in things. Boomers were kinda' the last generation who still had some controls at their disposal, but the system got completely out of our control from Gen X onward. We're just along for the ride as it's crumbling.

Edit: I've realised this may sound as though I'm pointing the blame at Boomers - I'm really not, I firmly believe the game was rigged from the start, it's not down to the average citizen. I was just trying to mark a shifting point.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Solidarity is the word, communists used and Americans banned. Without solidarity you get exactly the USA of today. A nation of egoists.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I would also point out that "greed" is the problem, not "egoism".

Egoism is a healthy attitude to take care of yourself.

Greed is the unhealthy attitude to do so at other's expense.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 9 hours ago

The problem is that meaningfully helping others often requires self-sacrifice. Solidarity is a shift in perspective, to extend the self around others and act in the collective interest.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

We're already well on our way (Romania here, hey-ho!), except we're going about it the exact way a couple of wise guys predicted back in the 1840s, so it's all falling apart in what would be a hilarious mess had I not been living through it for the past 30 years.

Edit (and a partial vent, because what the hell): we've been trying to emulate America ever since the Revolution. People were so (understandably) riled up against that Totalitarian hellscape wearing Socialist clothing, that they acted impulsively when deciding that Capitalist Democracy was the way. Add to that a bunch of politically active people who saw their easy cash grab, and a bit of American "encouragement," and it was inevitable.

Problem is, the Romanian people are very specifically themselves and, from what I've noticed, it's non-negotiable. We have a tendency of, while living and playing "the game," noticing that we're playing a game and so we sort of... meta-game with who we are - it's like we understand that society is a social act which we put on daily, that it's not us, on a very essential level. It's how we're taught to interact with the world even before we reach school age.

So while we've been trying to emulate other cultures, our own ingrained way of being and perceiving practically nullifies every bit of the external "flesh" which we desperately attempt to slap onto our bones. The wise guys I mentioned were known as Pașoptiști (Forty-Eighters would be the direct translation), a group of Romanian thinkers who had a central role in the political shiftings of the times (around 1848, whence the moniker).

They noticed that we're very plastic and curious as a culture, so we tend to absorb and incorporate foreign elements very easily - it's basically how the Romanian people have formed, we've been colonised over and over and over by pretty much everyone around, so we've developed to be flexible and marginally more open than most. However, they also noticed that we were drifting away from our tendency to comprehend the essence of what we were absorbing, favouring surface-level, purely aesthetic grafts, which they said would lead to a superficial societal culture and an inevitable failure - the Theory of Baseless Forms they called it (Teoria Formelor Fără Fond). I call it the Plastic Society, because it looks and feels like those cheap plastic knock-offs which we occasionally got as presents because they were cheaper and parents had the excuse of "well, how the hell was I supposed to know which is the REAL Spider-Man action figure?!"

And since Romanians are also very inertia-bound when left to our own devices, sadly, we've been diligently working at fulfilling that very prophecy. And I'm not complaining about our immense cultural permeability, I love who I've become because of it, but I am deeply saddened that people around here are no longer in contact with their essence and have fallen into believing this game is the only real thing around...

[–] Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This was a very interesting read

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Thank you! I'm genuinely happy that my "and I must scream" outburst proved useful!

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

You have put very well in words what i have been feeling for a long time.

"Theory of Baseless Forms" is a phrase i must remember. "I am deeply saddened that people around here are no longer in contact with their essence and have fallen into believing this game is the only real thing around…"

Yes, exactly, the world used to be a magical place, guided by magical principles, but nowadays everything is rationalized, superficial, and driven by the law of mass action (also called "economies of scale").

There is no myth in the modern world, no story told except that of capitalism and endless greed, and the soul of people seems to be silent.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Oh, most definitely, art has been thoroughly detached from "real life" - actually, I'd go as far as to focus in specifically on "adulthood" as the marker which excises it from us. And, yes, it is leaving us not hollow, but dessicated.

Interesting (well, and deeply saddening) to hear that this phenomenon isn't relegated just to our nation. I'd suspected it may be something more widespread given the sheer depth of despair everyone seemed to plumb during the lockdowns, but I have no first-hand experience with other cultures.

They're literally killing our souls, in so... so many ways. We have completely lost touch with what makes us human. Well, not completely, we still have the gaping maw where our humanity used to be. And it causes us to be un-human through the pain of the absence, yet most have no idea what's actually missing. And I agree with you, I think the system is designed to try to make us fill it up with greed and lust and want, but there's no matter in existence which could ever replace our connection with that from which art flows.

As a devout Agnostic, we have no idea what spirituality means anymore. And I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about the fact that we've completely disconnected ourselves from the simple state of existing in this Universe. We don't admire the stars and let our minds be flooded with the vastity of diversity within this black expanse (because we can't even fucking see them anymore!), nature contains too few stimuli to effectively cover our deformed wide-as-an-ocean-deep-as-a-puddle attention spans, we don't read, we don't stare at paintings, we don't study the music, we don't play - and I don't mean video games, I mean just mess around with sticks pretending they're whatever, we just consume a hundred billion points of colourful data per second, every second, for at least 14 hours every day, then shit out depression and ADHD.

THIS is why the possibility of AGI scares me, as a side note! We are barely fit parents to our flesh-and-blood offsprings, we have no business creating entirely new sentient and sapient species!

The dinosaurs had it easy, I swear... This Great Filter thing sucks, and it sucks expertly because it is a suck entirely of our devising.