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Power is where people believe it is.
No one really "controls" a military or government, at every step of the chain people can disagree. And when they do, it doesn't always shake out the way people expect.
I was threatened with a mutinity charge in the Navy, but I stood by my position and like five people didn't get demoted over some bullshit that wasn't their fault.
If I'd have backed down, they'd have been fucked because they were the fall guys.
If trump tries to sic the US government on citizens or blue states, don't expect everyone to just follow orders, even if the people at the very top do. They're still the ones sitting at desks.
Look at South Korea, president tried to pull a coup and basically everyone told him to fuck off. Didn't matter that he was in charge of the military and government
This is exactly right. You say no.
Or you say yes, and take your time, fuck it up, do it wrong, report that you succeeded when you did nothing, etc. Wrench in the gears.
Simple Sabotage Field Manual (CIA)
(Project Gutenberg)
It ain't just that, it's making them have the fight.
Not sure how many people remember Project Pat, but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLbYMfbBB1w
We used to sing it except "ain't going back to mast" because Captain's Mast was the less formal version of Court Martial. At a mast, the Captain could do whatever they wanted and no one higher up even heard about it.
You had to agree to Mast, if you didn't they'd have to take you to court martial where people outside the chain of command got to hear what's going on. The downside is punishment could be much worse.
Some of my guys were getting fucked, so I told everyone to refuse Captain's Mast, and the command backed down because it was obvious they weren't the problem. But our chain of command showed they didn't give a fuck.
Word spread that a 1/3 of my division got out of demotions, and it was all anyone would talk about.
It's why I don't take the idea of the American military being used against Americans very seriously. The vast majority are just there because they have no other options. They hate the military more than most pascifists do. So it doesn't take much for shit to break down.
That's not even getting into how much of the military are minorities, immigrants, or even non-citizens. They're not gonna do what trump wants them to.
So there is a chance!
There's always a chance...
Up to the point of Terminator robot soldiers, then we're fucked.
By the time we get those, we need to have our shit sorted out.