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[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think they just need to let people default and get out via bankruptcy. Doubt it will ever happen though.

[–] tcj@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They'd have to change the law Biden personally made that prevents student loans from being removed in bankruptcy proceedings.

That would also fuck millions of American's credit and lead to all kinds of problems in the economy. Letting everyone go bankrupt is not an acceptable government solution, they need to do something better.

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe you're right. I admit I'm a bit naive on some of the economic implications.

I feel like allowing bankruptcy would punish the dumb borrowers somewhat, but NOT punish them with crippling debt for life, as is currently the case. It would also punish loaners (including the government) for lending money to people for fairly useless degrees who would never be able to pay them back.

[–] tcj@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would argue though that the borrowers were not dumb. An entire generation of people told them "you have to do whatever it takes to go to college so you can get a good job" - that was a lie, and the people who told the lie should be the ones punished. The kids who trusted their parents, teachers, and government about this didn't do anything wrong.

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[–] UmbrellAssassin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It just mattered what degree you are going for. Too many people took that as, "Let me just get an easy degree and the money will roll in."

[–] tcj@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The data simply does not support that hypothesis.

The majority of degrees are in valuable and complex fields, the meme of everyone getting degrees in underwater basket weaving are not based in reality.

[–] UmbrellAssassin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Couple things. Business degrees are a wide range. Some are the easy way out, the whole "I only want to work for myself mentality" . Social sciences are a dump stat. Really shows why people are having so many issues finding an actual career. For the rest, the graph doesn't break down into what it entails. There is a lot of degree subsets that aren't worth it at the end of the day. Trust me you can break down just engineering into hundreds of categorizes that are stepping stones for something better. Try harder.

[–] ZombieMatrix@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, thats not just. They don't need to introduce a bill to wipe this out. Biden should do it because he can and its the right thing to do.

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The supreme court said he can't.

[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Supreme Court said that he couldn't, because he couldn't point to "clear congressional authorization" for the cancellation program. An act of Congress not only can waive student loan debt, but is how SCOTUS said Biden would need to go about it.

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, you are right. @ZombieMatrix isn't.