What in the everlasting embrace of god. Soviets, who - I'll admit - simply chose to work people to death painted as the good guys? The same soviets that starved, beaten and let people freeze to death? The same that put people in cattle wagons and rode them out to syberia in nothing more than clothes they had on their backs?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

The USSR was perhaps the single most progressive movement in the entire 20th century. It was not free from flaw, of course not, but in total it was a massive leap forward for the Working Class not only within the Soviet Union, but its very existence forced western countries to adopt expanded social safety nets (along with the efforts of leftist organizers within these countries).

From a brutal, impoverished backwater country barely industrialized, to beating the United States into space, in 50 years. Mid 30s life expectancies due to constant starvation, homelessness, and outright murder from the Tsarist Regime, doubled to the 70s very quickly. Literacy rates from the 20s and 30s to 99.9%, more than Western Nations. All of this in a single generation.

Wealth disparity shrank, while productivity growth was one of the highest in the 20th century:

Supported liberation movements in Cuba, Palestine, Algeria, Korea, China, Palestine, and more. Ensured free, and high quality healthcare and education for all. Lower retirement ages than the US, 55 for women and 60 for men. Legalized, free abortion. Full employment, and no recessions outside of World War 2. Defeated the Nazis with 80% of the combat in the entire European theater. Supported armistice treaties that the US continuously denied.

The bad guys won the Cold War, and they did so by forcing the USSR to spend a huge amount of their resources on keeping up millitarily, as the United States had much more resources and could deal with it that way.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 points 26 minutes ago (1 children)

I'd have to challenge that "the bad guys won the Cold War" rhetoric. If the USSR was as successful as your argument claims, why did so many Soviet republics seek independence?

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 20 minutes ago

For the same reasons California or Texas keep entertaining independence ballot initiatives every 4 years; internal politics.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Did they support liberation movements in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland etc etc?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Bit of a cheap pivot, isn't that? Not all nationalist movements are good, many are highly reactionary, even fascist in nature. On the whole, Soviet foreign policy was cleary in the interests of the working class, from helping Cuban workers liberate themselves from the fascist Batista regime, to helping Algeria throw off the colonizing French, to helping Palestinians resisting genocide, to assisting China with throwing off the Nationalists and Imperialist Japan.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

I don't think it's a cheap pivot at all. If you want to say "look at all these places where the people there wanted freedom!" While completely ignoring that they were violently surpressing those same scenarios within their own annexed territories? That's just willful blindness.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Soviets also played a big role in helping India achieve independence which is one major reason why relations between India and Russia are so good to this day. https://actofdefiance.wordpress.com/2022/09/05/soviet-support-for-indian-independence/