Cuba is extremely poor and most people would flee to any more advanced economy regardless of it's moral values for the opportunity to have a better life.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nobody said that the struggle against a despotic empire would be easy.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Cuban people are smart. Even cursory investigation reveals that Cubas centrally planned economy is a failure and the people are sick of it. The whole 'Communism vs Capitalism' debate is immaterial and a luxury for academics.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A cursory investigation reveals the opposite to be true. Cuba managed to thrive despite all the efforts of US to topple communism there, and the government is broadly supported by the people. Thinking that the debate regarding who should own the means of production and whose interest they should be operated in is immaterial is an incredibly idiotic statement.

Please spend sometime to educate yourself on the subject you're attempting to debate instead of making a fool of yourself in public.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Lol you and I have very different definitions of 'thrive'. I assume you're talking about living off of subsidies from other countries while miserably failing to produce and distribute goods at a level that anyway equates with the rest of the modern world?

making a fool of myself in public

No worries. I can take a 'shaming' from you I'll survive. I can't say the same for Cuban refugees trying to escape on john boats and other improvised watercrafts. I assume they are trying to reach the US to tell us how awesome Cuba is.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

In the real world people of Cuba are more satisfied with their government than Americans.

And it's not hard to understand why given that a quarter of the population is starving in US. 64% of Americans live hand to mouth. 37% work two full time jobs, and an average person has around 100k debt. If that's your idea of a functioning economy you should get your head checked.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you're looking for a Western apologist look elsewhere. That being said 'food insecurity' is in no way comparable to starving. We have the fattest poor people on the planet. There are a million and one ways to get food in the United States regardless of how broke you are. Also the inflation driving the 'hand to mouth' argument in the article is driven primarily by financial irresponsibility by the central planners in the US. Money printer go brrr.

The "overemployment" article is referring specifically to remote workers. That's not to keep up with inflation. That's free money. A ton of people started doing that during covid. Ive been at companies where they had to fire people because they weren't doing anything and just collecting a check. It was a huge joke online for over a year. I'm not denying that there are people that work two jobs but a lot of that is because they are competing with an endless deluge of low skilled labor pouring into the country everyday.

The problem with American debt is most of it is unsecured student debt. 300k mortgage debt is healthy if you have collateral. The solution is simple. Don't give 18 year olds 100k loans. When the government guarantees a loan for anything the price for that thing will increase dramatically in an economy driven by greed.

I'm the first one to say that the US should be more protective of the worker and stymie limitless immigration that undercuts the value of work but Communism or whatever term you feel like using to justify a centrally planned economy is equally wrong in the opposite direction. The answer is unsatisfying but it's a mix. How that mix is proportioned will depend on the culture of the people and what they value. Then as a people they can decide what to incentivize. At some point though you have to give individuals the ability to reap what they personally have sowed even if it is more (or less) than their neighbor.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can spin it however you like, but the reality is that a quarter of people in US don't have enough food to eat. There are tent cities all across the country due to rampant homelessness. Healthcare in inaccessible and regularly bankrupts people. Cuba has none of these problems. In fact, Cuba ranks as world’s most sustainable developed country.

Communism works while capitalism creates failed states like the US. That's the reality of the world.

[–] realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@yogthos @Manmoth Is #Cuba a better place to live than the #USA?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

You have to specify for whom US or Cuba is a better place to live. Millions of people in US have far worse lives than people in Cuba despite the fact that US has an incomparable amount of wealth. Given the resources that Cuba has available to it, there is no question that Cuba does a much better job than US ensuring that they're used to improve the lives of the majority.