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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The initial Spanish expeditions had herds of pigs with them, which transmitted a ton of diseases to the natives. A hundred years later when other Europeans came the cities were almost completely depopulated.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

People are weirdly against this idea, I think because they believe it diminishes the deliberate genocide that came later, which it doesn't. The horrible truth is that disease spread through completely biologically defenseless populations starting in the late 15th century. By the time European countries were consolidating colonial power, the Native population had been obliterated by somewhere between 65–89%. Those aren't extremes, that's a range of completely plausible figures. The variance is so large because it's hard to tell how many people used to live in a place when disease, unaided, killed every person in every settlement in unthinkably huge areas. To say entire tribes disappeared is an understatement, entire networks of multiple cultures were wiped out so thoroughly that their memory is lost forever. The Native American population in 1800 was a small fraction of the number of people who once lived.

Even in the american mythos of the mayflower it mentions them surviving off established food caches and stores from abandoned settlements. People dont think much about that, but they werent left behind because the natives were so welcoming to the Pilgrims.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Their diminished population just made it a whole lot easier for Europeans to commit further atrocities

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Didn’t Lewis and Clarke note how often they found abandoned settlements?

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not sure about Lewis and Clark, but I have read that David Thompson did.

George Vancouver recorded beaches strewn with old human bones. Around the same time he wrote journal entries along the lines of, "Wow, look at all this rich, uninhabited land that would be ideal for settlements!" I don't recall Ol' George ever putting two and two together.

[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Never knew that, wow.

[–] Willy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

That was 2-300 years later