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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well if I could edit my comment I'd change AIDS to COVID or something, it was supposed to be a placeholder example of a hypothetical racist headline. It's not a statement from me.

Generalizing any race as having a negative quality is racist and it's wrong, and nobody should be doing it. Just because I'm white doesn't mean I have to stay quiet when somebody publishes something racist about the billions of people like me.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's quite convenient how that point of view basically immunizes white people from criticism. We can actually talk about the problems with whiteness, and with men, and with masculinity; doing so is not racist (or sexist) and does not denigrate the billions of white people (or men) on the planet. It allows us to improve ourselves.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So do you think that races should be open to criticism as a whole? You want to start listing your problems with Chinese people, Mexicans, Cubans, Sudanese, or others?

If not, then that's completely hypocritical. IMO nobody should be criticizing a race as a whole, because that's fucking stupid. There's nothing you can say about any race as a whole that would be valid except to state their common genetic characteristics. Every race has an entire spectrum of individuals who act, speak, and believe differently than others within their race.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So do you think that races should be open to criticism as a whole?

Those are nationalities, not races.

But, certainly we can say, "Children in the United States have a problem with being killed by gun violence." Would you then show up and archly condemn us for daring to criticize all children in the United States for dying?

Separately, why, when discussing the problems with being white, do fragile people pivot to whataboutism?

There’s nothing you can say about any race as a whole that would be valid except to state their common genetic characteristics.

Except, as the article states in rather convincing language, we can say that white men are the super spreaders of climate denialism. Or, at least, discuss the article and its points without crying that the article is attacking us personally.

If you feel targeted or criticized by the article, you should reflect on why that is, rather than blame the article. We can talk about the problems with white people (and with men!) without indicting individual white people (or men). If you are unable to do that, that's a "you" problem, not a problem with this article or this community.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about "NO" motherfucker. I don't put up with any racism.

I have spoken.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 1 points 1 year ago

Again, it's not racist in exactly the same way as talking about men's problems is not sexist.

In any case you're clearly a bad fit for this community. Better luck elsewhere.