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Can I ignore flatpak indefinitely? (lemmy.sdf.org)
submitted 2 years ago by krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.org to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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I'm admittedly yelling at cloud a bit here, but I like package managers just fine. I don't want to have to have a plurality of software management tools. However, I also don't want to be caught off guard in the future if applications I rely on begin releasing exclusively with flatpak.

I don't develop distributed applications, but Im not understanding how it simplifies dependency management. Isn't it just shifting the work into the app bundle? Stuff still has to be updated or replaced all the time, right?

Don't maintainers have to release new bundles if they contain dependencies with vulnerabilities?

Is it because developers are often using dependencies that are ahead of release versions?

Also, how is it so much better than images for your applications on Docker Hub?

Never say never, I guess, but nothing about flatpak really appeals to my instincts. I really just want to know if it's something I should adopt, or if I can continue to blissfully ignore.

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[-] jokeyrhyme@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

Can I ignore flatpak indefinitely?

Sure, at least until software you want to use is flatpak only, e.g. Bottles

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Or use a stable distro, need a package newer than 2 years, and don't want spend a day compiling dependencies of dependencies.

[-] gandolfini_the_grey@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Nah, building from source takes a few minutes unless you are building a web browser.

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Ok, show me how you compile Emacs 29/30 on a fresh Debian 10 install in a few minutes...

[-] gandolfini_the_grey@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) 
apt install build-essential
apt build-dep emacs
wget https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/emacs-30.1.tar.xz
tar -xf emacs-30.1.tar.xz
cd emacs-30.1
./configure —prefix=/usr/local
make
make install

Edit: forgot cd

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Did I ask for a command? Give that a try in Debian 10...

[-] gandolfini_the_grey@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ok, just did. Works fine.

Emacs 30.1 running in a Debian VM

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

No missing/outdated/renamed dependencies while building it?

[-] gandolfini_the_grey@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Nope, a lot of software will try to bundle as much dependencies as needed by default, which makes building from source much easier. Distributions will then "unbundle" them, to keep packages reusing system libraries as much as possible

[-] klu9@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Well, you can get Bottles as an AppImage... unofficially https://github.com/ivan-hc/Bottles-appimage

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