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How is the Piracy community adapting to port forwarding becoming a rarer premium feature, and most users on public trackers do not have it? Is the bitorrent protocol in need of update? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 2 years ago by FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[-] ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org 9 points 2 years ago

I've never used port forwarding. Everything works fine

[-] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 years ago

That's for downloading, but it you want to upload/seed, then you would need port forwarding.

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 14 points 2 years ago

and for downloading too when no one else has forwarded a port in the swarm

[-] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 years ago

You can still seed to users that do have port forwarding.

[-] ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago

yes, seeding works too, with no port forwarding. With mullvad, it just works and with proton I have to enable "moderate NAT" sometimes, but seeding works without port forwarding, it always has

[-] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

Only because you're seeding to people that have port forwarding active. You can't seed to people that are running the same setup as yourself.

[-] ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org -2 points 2 years ago

Port forwarding is a huge vulnerability. With proton it's not as much of a vulnerability, but it still opens a lot of shit that should stay closed

whatever the case is, I'm able to seed without port forwarding

[-] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

You're opening a port in your VPN connection so no there's no "huge vulnerability" (even without a VPN you're only opening a port to your torrent client) and as mentioned, you're only seeding to people who have port forwarding set up. If more people run without it like yourself, the whole system breaks down.

[-] Kissaki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

What do you think it makes you vulnerable to?

[-] kratoz29@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

When you are not port forwarding you can only download from users who are actually port forwarding, or am I incorrect?

[-] Kissaki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

You are right

[-] jsparrow@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Partially, it's accurate when using the BT protocol. However if you use μTP (Micro Transport Protocol), it has “support for NAT traversal using UDP hole punching between two port-restricted peers where a third unrestricted peer acts as a STUN server.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Transport_Protocol

[-] ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org 1 points 2 years ago

I just said twice that everything works fine as long as "direct" connections can be made. if your torrenting client says that's happening, everything is working fine

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