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[–] LucidLyes@lemmy.world 53 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Jobs paved the way for Musk. I hate that he's so often cited as a genius to look up to in the tech world

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 4 points 29 minutes ago

Not musk, the entire silicon valley fake it and hope you make it mindset. Jobs opened the door for Holmes. Jobs opened the door for Uber to completely make up a business plan. Jobs opened the door to Elon buying "founder" status. His genius contribution is in making the tech industry the batch of lying scum it is today.

[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 21 points 16 hours ago

The behind the bastards episodes on Jobs was really eye-opening to just how awful of a leader he was

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 33 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

People mistaking Marketing people for tech genies happens to often.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe, but then you also have people like my brother who basically worship Jobs, and say shit like "Wozniak is expendable."

I told him people like Wozniak are the real geniuses who actually make shit work, and he told me straight faced that without people like Jobs people like Wozniak will probably just have a desk job.

[–] WagyuSneakers@lemmy.world 2 points 37 minutes ago (1 children)

People that worship psuedo intellectuals like Jobs are just coping with that fact that they're less intelligent. Sales dudes love having sales rule over engineering. I'd go as far to say it's difficult to be a decent human being and in sales at the same time.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org -1 points 28 minutes ago

The cause goes the other way

[–] ulterno@programming.dev -2 points 52 minutes ago

You need a desk to place the components on to build the computer and then to place the computer on, to do the programming.

I'd say, even with Jobs, Wozniak had a desk job.


Of course, unless you use a projector or floor-stands for the monitors and keep the keyboard+mouse on your lap, in which case, you can get away from the desk.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 14 hours ago

I find it really amusing to know Bill Gates ones made fun of him:

"Steve's achievements are all the more impressive when you know that he couldn't look at a piece of code and know what it was."

However he also said:

"Clearly, he had so many skills that I didn't, but we were both a little bit pied pipers in terms of getting people to work ridiculous hours."

Which really should tell you everything you need to know given who made the money and how many people were made to work "ridiculous hours".