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Hiring is broken
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I'm getting sick of the invasive questions
"Gender?
Sex at birth?
Are you trans?
Are you gay? Bi?
Ever been depressed?
Abuse alcohol? Drugs?
Ever been arrested?
Ever been in the military?
Well what about your spouse?
Ever work for the government?
That degree you mentioned, we can't ask your age but uh, when did you earn that bad boy, huh?"
NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE POSITION.
This is 100% occuring in the USA. Where I live and work.
Most of these questions are illegal in my country, thank fuck
No, thank the government and the people who voted.
No, thank the workers who literally died fighting for worker rights, which forced the government's hands in order to keep the peace.
Died and often killed, don't forget that demonstrations are the compromise for a civil discourse. When not being treated civilly, it quickly becomes a mob and the lynching begins.
If you're in the USA, these questions are legal to ask.
Some are illegal (when did you graduate), but is asked very often anyways. Often times marked as required on Workday Job applications.
LOL my god, people in this thread just making shit up. It is absolutely legal in the US to ask for a graduation/attendance date on an app.
I am floored by the amount of blind "nuh uh that is not true you're lying."
Guys.
I'm not fucking lying.
Ass clowns.
Hell, any of this info is a quick search away.
"Nuh uh!"
Sigh, you feel me.
It may technically be legal to ask about postsecondary graduation, but asking for a high school graduation year is generally considered illegal, since that'll pretty much get you within a few years of the applicant's age. (I'm honestly unsure whether that's relevant though, since the first comment said "degree," which isn't what we call a high school diploma where I'm from.)
OP is full of shit. See my response.
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/15656902
Those questions are begging for discrimination lawsuits. Despite being heavily involved in onboarding at two companies, I'm not sure which of those are legal to ask because no one asks.
Yes, they still ask them.
You're an idiot.
Present.
No, my first time was well over a decade later.
Transtabular, from your position.
I prefer professionalism to gaiety during interviews. This meeting isn't over yet.
Not in the button sense, no.
Neither physically nor emotionally. No, thank you, not now.
Have you been?
Even if I was, you're not getting veteran's benefits through me.
Even if they were, you're not getting veteran's benefits through them.
Why, are you paying public service rates?
I think it was sometime around when I graduated from college.
Bro, your answer is being filtered out by an algorithm, even before it gets the chance to be appreciated by some hr drone.
Oh, I assumed this was during an interview already. If a company sent me that shit prior to an interview I'd tell the headhunter to try again with a better company.
I'm just trying to get an egg loan! There's people in line behind me!
I’m getting scam calls about my extended egg warranty.
Where are you that has questions like these?
5 of those questions aren't asked in the US.
I am in the US.
Those questions are 100% asked.
Source: over 1000 job applications this year so far.
i totally believe you...
That’s like 4 a day, every day including weekends. Where do you live where there are that many jobs available?
Yes that's about right. I do between 20 and 80 per day when I do applications.
The US.
Remote jobs are a thing.
You're lying, plain and simple. Tell me with a straight fucking face you've been asked about sexual preferences or gender at birth.
Another American here and I can tell you that I've seen both these questions on interview forms. They each came with a "prefer not to specify" response, for all that's worth.
Aren't asked for now. I'm pretty sure in certain states will become mandatory...
They are. I am in the US.
Right out of college, I went through an eight hour long hiring process complete with a proctored exam, three different interviews, a psychological screening, and a meeting with the CEO. All for an entry level position that paid $25k. By the end of the day, I was the only candidate left to be considered and they didn't give me an offer.
I got a call and a quick phone interview two days later from a small independent IT company that quoted me $30k on the spot. I said I was considering a second position and - over the phone - the guy raises it to $35k. Took the deal. Started a week later.
Two months after that, I got a postcard in the mail saying I was no longer being considered for the first job.
This was in 2006 and its only gotten worse since.
What is the "correct" answer for the ever worked in the government/military ones?
The truth. Depending on the context they will either report how many military veterans they employ (so just tabulation that goes to a checkbox if they bid for a government contract), or it involves military benefits in some manner, which will quickly come back to haunt you if you 'lied' on application docs.
Oh, I assumed they were a discrimination thing. Gathering random information due to government requirements is very different.
Not necessarily requirements, but sometimes government contracts favor contractors that employ veterans, so it's more like the company is hoping to be able to use you on paper.
Bingo. Employers are required by law to obtain veteran status. EEO reporting comes to mind.
Ah fuck it, yes to everything! Yolo!
Almost none of that is asked on an application except the degree date. All of the above would be a fucking nightmare for HR. You really think employers are dumb enough to ask questions that could lead to discrimination lawsuits?!
After you are hired, the forms ask:
You made some of that up out of thin air and didn't understand the rest. And here ya got 61 upvotes from people taking all that at face value. Be better.
SOURCE: Worked IT for an employment firm with 200 employers. Designed and posted hiring forms, hiring data and onboarding at two places. Learned more about hiring than I ever wanted to know.
Yes
Yes.
I made none of that up.
Ridiculous.
I'm not here to convince anyone; simply stating verifiable facts.
Not here to spoon feed you.
I predicted this exact response. Should have put that in the post. It's a perfect copy of how conservatives react when given facts.
"Nuh uh. It's true. Do your research."
OK. Bet.
The laws enforced by EEOC prohibit an employer or other covered entity from using neutral employment policies and practices that have a disproportionately negative effect on applicants or employees of a particular race, color, religion, sex, including transgender status, sexual orientation, and pregnancy
How about the depression thing?
https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/depression-ptsd-other-mental-health-conditions-workplace-your-legal-rights
I can do this all day. Or would your rather compare our professional experiences involving HR, hiring and onboarding?
https://www.wenzelfenton.com/blog/2022/07/18/employment-discrimination-statistics-employees-need-to-know/
So I guess almost half a million people had no reason to call the EEOC that year, and none of these cases are hiring discrimination or anything. None at all. The experience you had at an employment firm, who's service is to perform this process, is completely identical to the hiring practices at every other company that may or may not engage a service to hire people.
Disabilities.
They allow for asking almost every one of the questions I mentioned.
You're obnoxious.
I am blocking you now. You're too dumb for words.
I've been asked all these questions in my job search in the last 6 months. The questions I imagine you're skeptical about like have you ever been depressed or abused drugs do come up often. Not in the initial application but in the required personality test.