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Sanders and AOC tell packed arena Trump is ‘screwing over’ working class
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From here the outside ot really feels that you need to start another party now. Like nice rally and all of that but the dnc has been screwing you over every fuckin time.
Edit: Or a representative parliament system? That winner takes all shit shouldn't be...
That is because both GOP and DEM are corporatist parties. They will not cater to working class people because those people aren't the ones throwing the most money at them. Left wing populism is nothing more than a tankie wet dream since citizens united.
First past the post ensures that any party that tries to splinter off dooms both themselves and the party from which they splintered.
What needs to happen is the democrats need to get tea partied.
At this point there's no risk since the Democrats can't win anyway. Might as well deal with a couple split elections while the transition happens because Republicans win even if you don't
Don't splinter then. Amputate.
Different word, same effect
Splinter implies a small breakaway group.
Amputate implies removing a part of the body that is harmful.
Who is really in power in the Democrats and how did they get there?
Unless you get the same size voting base as Republicans, it still leads to a corpse.
You have just described how voting works.
In the US, yes. In other countries (also Alaska and Maine somewhat), the voting system (ranked choice voting, proportional representation, etc) allows for many smaller parties to form. Because no one ends up with 50+% of the vote, these groups have to come together to get things done. With first past the post (which is winner take all, which is heinously stupid), small parties cannot meaningfully form because they cannot possibly get enough votes to get into office.
Oh ok we'll get right on that
Edit: it just doesn't really help that these discussions always devolve into comments about "we have to get rid of FPTP" and all that. Yeah, no shit. There's zero chance of that happening in this country at this time. Not without a complete breakdown of the country.
Alaska uses Ranked-Choice Voting.
Well... You are onto that it seems... So get the hopium?
Well, OK then.
Shit is going to absolutely fucking suck for everyone then. Not just here. But sure, let's go.
Personally, I would like a Mixed Member Proportional system, but yeah, anything would be better than what we have now. James Madison is rolling in his grave. He literally wrote in Federalist Paper No. 10 that the republican principal is to reduce factiontionalism, not enable it.
The real solution is to change the party in the primaries.
As flawed as the DNC is, starting a new party will split the non-Republican vote and guarantee the GOP sweeps.
"Change the system!" Yeah - the last Constitutional ammendment that was ratified was in 1992 and had been introduced in the Washington administration.
Can't you change how the delegate election works at least at a state level?
Yes. The best thing we can actually hope for at thCompact. regarding national elections is the national popular vote Interstate compact.
I’ve heard this argument for 30+ years. How long do I wait for it to be true?
In 2000, if just 1% of the people who voted for Nader in Florida had voted for Gore instead of throwing away their vote on a third-party, we never would have had Bush as President.
Buddy we don’t even have elections anymore. The voting system is no longer a relevant target.
But how else will they keep sheepdogging everyone to vote for the billionaires?
Starting a new party just guarantees Republicans win in landslides.
We need to do to the Democrats, what maga did to Republicans. Primary the old fuckers with young progressive candidates.