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Sanders and AOC tell packed arena Trump is ‘screwing over’ working class
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You're getting blackpilled because your scope of what liberal democracy is is incredibly limited and almost childish. Student loan forgiveness? Recognizing Palestine? Those are useless carrots dangled in front of you that do not materially change the country or even count as policies.
If you want to lock out authoritarians for another 100 years and have a real democracy you need to think bigger and grow up. Fundamental voting procedures need to be overhauled. The judiciary needs to be completely removed and then reinstated with additional safeguards against partisanship. Return to a gold standard and abolishment of stocks. Yes, the entire stock market. Quite frankly the entire constitution needs an overhaul to a degree where the old one should just be tossed into a fire and the flag changed afterwards to reflect all these changes to the country.
THAT is what is needed. To remove FUNDAMENTAL and ENDEMIC problems that have been plaguing this republic for 200 years now!
But instead of thinking about that, you just prefer some free money in the form of debt forgiveness. And that's why Trump won and he and his successor will keep winning for the foreseeable future.
You somehow missed my entire point and managed to focus on the least important aspects of my question. The situations I described were hypotheticals reflecting the best possible world.
My entire thesis is all it takes for one election cycle for progressives / leftists / liberals to not bother getting off the couch and everything we work for si setback another 100 years. It will take sooo much time to undo what Elon and Trump have done it just the past two months. I don't care about the goddamn student loans. My argument is democracy doesnt work, does it?
They are arguing that a real progressive would try to fix democracy. Overturn citizens United. Get money out of politics. Push for an alternative to first past the post. Remove the electoral college. You do those things and fascism becomes much easier to defend against.
Have you ever heard the saying
These are all lofty ideals. Overturning citizens united. Getting money out of politics. It seems to me however, as soon as a candidate lacking in charm or popularity shows up, the whole system back tracks because no one wants to vote for a boring candidate.
I hated Kamala. She was the most establishment dem you could get. You'd think a sassy black woman would have some kind of charisma or anything really. She sounded like a corporate android programmed by Hillary herself. Her policies were boring and uninspiring. She failed her messaging so bad. I still voted but I understand why those who didn't didn't. But if that's all it takes to revert the clock a hundred years then it's over.
We're fucked.
Americans had a Trump term already. And they collectively - those who voted and those who didn't said: "sure. Let's do that again. Why not."
Democracy is dead.
You have way too much politics in the US, your judges, police chiefs, ad's should never have been political.
I very much dislike that a person from any country would read your post and push the downvote icon, but I've been told to my face that gerrymandering was a legitimate 'political' tactic, so I can't say it surprises me.