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Please, tell me how "paying for hardware costs is enough"...

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[-] recall519@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago

The core argument here is should there be an expectation that donations should cover admins labor costs.

Personally, if an instance is run off of donations, then it's a nice to have. As an admin, you shouldn't have that expectation. If you no longer want to volunteer your time, then don't. Shut the instance down, find someone to help you maintain the instance, or pass the instance off to someone else.

I'm also okay with paid instances and admins trying to make a reasonable salary or even making additional profit as long as it's transparent to the users. It's their choice to charge, it's our choice to pay.

Overall, instances should be run by a group of volunteers, not a single individual. Otherwise, the long term viability of the instance is questionable.

[-] Wiz@midwest.social 13 points 2 years ago

My local Madison insurance is forming a steering committee and has created an LLC. (I'm a member of the committee.) We will solicit donations, because mostly it has been one guy paying for a small regional instance of about 100 AU.

We think of it like public broadcasting, like PBS. I will be happy to kick in a few dollars per month to pay for it. We have contests, online meetups, and other fun. It's not just Mastodon, it's an active regional online community, and it's worth it.

(I also donate to my Lemmy instance, because it's worth it too!)

[-] recall519@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago
[-] ilovepiracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

Is it an Australian instance? whats the domain?

[-] Wiz@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago

100 active users, sorry

[-] rglullis@communick.news 12 points 2 years ago

expectation that donations should cover admins labor costs

Not quite that. The argument is that admins shouldn't be treated as a disposable entity who don't need any money just because they are not directly asking for it.

It's a "I want you to want to do the dishes" kind of thing.

Shut the instance down, find someone to help you maintain the instance, or pass the instance off to someone else.

Easier said than done. We already have a long list of instances that disappear suddenly because the admins burned out, and I have had long discussions with admins from other instances who keep begging for more donations every month instead of just saying "you know what? You don't want to help me, so I don't owe your lot anything".

[-] recall519@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Well it's not easy. They are unsung heroes. They aren't the only volunteers in this world. Do you think the people in our communities volunteering to pick up trash or people at homeless shelters volunteering are requesting compensation or a pat on the back? Honestly, there's more than enough instances and volunteers to host those instances.

And just to clarify, I do think our admins deserve a pat on the back and donations. I am eternally grateful, but they shouldn't resent their community for not donating to them.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago

This is one of the things that make me think the current "fediverse" isn't going to be its final form. It's a good stepping stone, but users and communities being locked to a single instance will become a bugbear sooner rather than later.

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