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No, the problem is the program spent an obsene amount of money, just because you also can no longer trust the people controlling the program doesn't mean the program wasn't a titanic, strategic faceplant of burning so much money that any future conflict is already lost.
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...but also, this is what military nerds seem to refuse to understand about this, you can't act like it is a detail that maybe now you can't existentially trust the person you are buying an incredibly advanced fighter aircraft from, as if that wasn't directly connected to why the f35 itself is a strategic failure of a program, and as if there is any sense that you can consider the f35 separately from the incredibly incompetent politics and runaway cancerous military industrial complex surrounding it.I will concede maybe I was being overly negative about the capabilities of the plane, but this whole conversation is still absolutely absurd, we might as well be arguing about comic book super heroes if we aren't going to include the context of this program was CLEARLY a strategic failure for everyone involved from the beginning, because the existential risk to the security of other nations at the highest levels is now threatened (sureee the U.S. military can't hack their own jets.... ..... ....).
The f35 is meant to be a lynchpin of an integrated battlefield, collating, identifying and tracking targets. It is like you took all the corporate surveillance of a microsoft 11 laptop and made it into a fighter jet, it is constantly gobbling up, receiving, and sending data... which is exactly what makes it such a powerful asset... but need I remind you... looks over at the dumpsterfire that is the U.S. it was designed over there.
Honestly, I would be very surprised if the f35 didn't have multiple kill switches purposefully built into the design from agencies that actually have no idea the other agency or entity also put a killswitch into the f35. I don't know if I believe any single person actually knows all of the backdoors that were essentially designed into the aircraft.
Why wouldn't the plane be an endless hallway of backdoors for U.S. military industrial interests and intelligence agencies? Every creator of weapons of war since the first weapon would do the same thing if they had the chance and didn't care about the consequences (the U.S. clearly does not care about the consequences if you haven't noticed).
As evidence: see any modern smartphone, computer, car, tractor, tv or other electronic device "from" the U.S. and imagine if any time somebody started asking difficult questions to the greedy person in charge they could pump up their toxic masculinity and attack them back with "THIS is a serious matter of national security".
Additionally something that national security staff at many major allies of the U.S. right now have to be thinking is that nobody really knows how much information has been accessed by completely untrustuable, unvetted or people proven already to be untrustworthy in the Trump administration, this is a strategic intelligence failure up and down the entire breadth and width of the U.S. military empire since potentially ANY of the information from ANY of the people that are crucial to making all of that stuff function.... well somebody might know their address now might they?
I don't relish this, this is bad, I am just being honest.
You've got to imagine that if the US somehow got into a shooting war with a country they had previously sold arms to, and it were possible to remotely disable their aircraft, that someone in the MIC would say, "Hold on. If we use this kill switch, the world will see it and literally no countries will ever buy weapons from us again."
You are going to tell that to me with a straight face lol?
It's not an accident that in an era where every single part of the US budget is being gutted (or likely to be gutted before all of this is over with), the Pentagon received an enormous increase. The MIC runs the US. If the CEO of Lockheed Martin makes a call to Trump, you had better believe Trump listens closely.
The pentagon has been growing like an out of control cancer since at least 9/11, this doesn't prove that.
I am sorry, do you still at this late date think Trump listens? Even if he wanted to, he wouldn't know how he hasn't done it in decades.
My guy, the fact that you can't have a friendly discussion without immediately down voting every response indicates that someguy3 is probably right
Your longer response just shows me that you are emotionally attached to raging against the machine. There no point is conversing. A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.