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Is it me, or the hive mind mentality has come over here as well? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by 6mementomori@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I've posted some controversial stuff, and I understand why I would be getting down voted for that. But I see some of my posts and comments are in the negatives for seemingly no reason at all? I don't really care about the karma because I can't see it anyway, but I'm worried that comments and posts here are gonna get downvoted and dismissed without further consideration solely because of the negative score, like what would happen on reddit. I suspect someone, a troll, a bot, or a misclick downvoted my comment or post and people just followed along downvoting in turn. It's either that, or I genuinely said something bad but I can't figure for the life of me that it is indeed bad. My prime example is my support post for commenting under certain posts, why did that get the downvotes? And I see this kind of thing sometimes on other people's comments as well, and I'm baffled, is it me who can't understand why something is bad, or hive mind came here too?

EDIT: it seems i wasn't clear enough. a) I'm not worried about getting the actual downvotes. I'm worried about downvotes stopping to be a tool to gauge content. b) I'm not worried about controversial opinions' downvotes, I already said I'm not surprised I got downvoted there. I was talking about totally mundane posts, like that one support post. c) I'm not talking about people simply disagreeing, I'm talking about people immediately disregarding a post because of the downvote count. it's not correct to say this doesn't happen, it totally does and... how am I supposed to prove that? all it takes on reddit is see a comment on 0 for no reason and see it quickly drop to -5

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[–] alokir@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I read through some of your comments with lots of downvotes, I have a theory why you were heavily downvoted.

First, people use the dowvote button as a way to express that they disagree, not that they think the content is low quality or unfitting. I don't see how we can change this other than not having a downvote button at all, this seems to be like an outcome of the up/downvote system.

Also, you seem to be a person of principles. I know the reactions too well because I also think similarly. For example, I think judging someone by the color of their skin or ethnicity is wrong, and it seems like you do so as well.

You have a heavily downvoted comment under a post where some Russians faced discrimination and it wasn't clear if it was happening because they were Russians or there were some other reasons as well. You noted this, and got downvoted because people think racism is ok now because Russia (as a country) is an aggressor in a war.

People are too quick to put you in a box if you don't 100% follow their narratives and say even one thing that remind them of others who genuinely belong in that box.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly it's a problem with binary ranking systems across the board. Maybe if there were additional axes you could vote on, like "agree/disagree", "quality/low effort", "nuanced/trite", etc. I don't know how one would go about implementing such a thing, but until someone does, we're stuck with having a simplistic system that doesn't adequately reflect the complicated responses real people have to content.

[–] tc43@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Slashdot had something like this back in its day,, you could upvote for Funny, Insightful, etc, and it worked quite well. No idea what it's like these days though.

[–] alokir@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Unpopular opinion but I think the emoji system of Facebook, Github and Slack are much better. We could have something similar with a limited amount of emojis and rank posts and comments accordingly.

[–] 6mementomori@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

coming from r/PCM I was used more to downvotes being in fact used for filtering low quality stuff out, that being said I already mentioned that's not the type of comment I'm talking about, I expected to get downvoted in the controversial comments. I was talking about more mundane stuff

[–] neptune@dmv.social 18 points 1 year ago

I have a hard time trusting your opinion of community and online discourse if you came from PCM. That was an insular community astroturfed to push the Overton window rightward. It's about role playing genocide. It's for laughing about police shootings and marginalizing trans people. If you don't think PCM was designed to build a hive mind through performative conflict, then so help you God.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aaaand there we are. 100% of these posts whining about being down voted and censored come from fascist havens or are bigots. Lol PCM. No fucking wonder.

It's because if you have that kind of mind, your "normal" comments might not be as tame as you think.

[+] alokir@lemmy.world -7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people are petty and will go thought your profile to downvote everything. I've read about and seen some people even stalking users, commenting on every post they make. There was an AuthRight guy on PCM who was followed around and called a Nazi on unrelated subs the moment he commented something.

[–] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I heard that reddit faked these kind of votes. So they looked like they worked to the voter, but noone else could see votes cast from the profile page. Don't know if it's true, but it is a cool idea (I don't think votes on out of contex comments are "valid" I guess, insofar as Internet points can be considered valid)

[–] Sinnerman@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning

[–] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

I'm aware of shadow banning as a concept. But this is different isn't it? A shadow ban let's somebody post to a community, while not letting them know that they have been banned. Clever, I guess, but intentionally opaque and it doesn't sit right with me ideologically. As an admin, I would love this feature though. Interesting that I have a different position on voting vs posting. Maybe I have a deeper belief that an individual's comments matter more than their votes.