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Why should Ukraine have to make any conversations at all? Russia invaded and took land and lives, and you think Ukraine should just give up some of that, just cuz?
Because otherwise the war never ends.
Are you willing to fight to the last Ukrainian?
If I were Ukrainian, then fucking yes. As an American, also yes, because with proper support, Russia won't win and it won't come down to the last Ukrainian. If Mexico invaded the US, killed thousands of Americans, and occupied a bunch, you think just giving some of that up would be acceptable? Fuck that. Not only does sending munitions to Ukraine help them, it both hurts Russia which is great, and boosts the US economy and refreshes our arsenal. War sucks, but since it's happening and we can't stop it, we might as well help the good guys and benefit ourselves.
All of this ignores how past negotiations with Russia have taken place, and they reneged anyway. They can't be trusted to hold up any sort of deal, so fuck em. Best case is that civil unrest ends the war first, but until then, the only good Russian invader is a dead Russian invader.
Support isn't a substitute for infrastructure and training and institutional capacity, and those take years to build up. All we're doing is throwing money and ammo and tanks on a bonfire.
I think you mean russia is throwing money and ammo and tanks on a bonfire.
Well that too, it's why America is supporting Ukraine. They want Russia to bleed itself to death.
It doesn't seem like it's happening. It's just an endless burning pit for everyone's money.
The lack of russian movement, russia dusting off museum worthy equipment, and that 8 hour "justice march" to Moscow kinda makes it seem like it is happening.
Uh, the war can still end without peace negotiations you know
That's... That's what war is?
Don't hold your breath.
For you to make a valid point?
Good call
It took 20 fucking years for American invaders to give up on Iraq.
What if it takes that long for Russia to give up?
You likely mean Afghanistan, Iraq was a 8 year mess.
The US's coalition was supporting the Iraqi government against insurgents until 2021
We could expect the same in Ukraine, a constant low level war that drags on and on for years after it's "over"