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New York Jews are not extremists, though? They're just normal people who happen to be Jewish
Eh, I guess it's a matter of perspective. Just like you shouldn't claim all Jews are extremist, it's also inaccurate to claim that all New York Jews are just normal people who happen to be Jewish. That is unless you believe holding extremist political views is perfectly normal.....which is a matter of perspective.
Imo the Jewish community has gone pretty far to the right, a similar response to America after 9/11. Even a lot of the prior moderate American Jewish community has recently adopted some pretty hard right stances when it comes to Palestine.
Just looking at Jewish communities on places like reddit can be pretty wild as far as how common it is for people to respond to valid criticism of the Israeli state as antisemitic hate crimes.
This is the inherent problem of ethno-states, it creates room for forced conflations between ethnicity and nationality.
The majority of Jews in New York are secular and therefore don't have a mouthpiece like the major Orthodox groups. And it's not even like orthodoxy is even "extreme"
A fraction of Jews are Orthodox and a fraction of those Orthodox Jews are extremists. So yeah, I wasn't 100% correct but it's not even in the same ballpark as what I replied to.
That's the thing with ethno-states, you don't have to be religious to be a nationalist. It's not just orthodox Jews who have a problem with Palestinians. Hell, you don't even have to be Jewish to have extremist views about the genocide in Palestine. You could be orthodox, a secular Zionist, a right winged nationalist, or you could even be vicariously motivated evangelical who thinks a war in the holy land will spark the second coming. Are those views "normal"? Not to me, but I'm not exactly in charge of making those opinions for others.
As I said, it really depends on what your perspective is when it comes to what qualifies as normal.
Less than a month after the attack that began this whole thing new york jews weee marching against genocide with a fair bit of frequency. I only know this because I visited a Jewish friend there at the time and kept hearing complaints about how several of these protests were having the jewishness of them ignored.
New York jews are normal Americans. Unfortunately yes that includes the aspect where they're likely to mythologize and idealise their ancestral homeland. But much like other Americans, many are incredibly critical of it or don't care or any other opinion.
Right, but my point was that the Jewish community isn't a monolith, 25% of the American Jewish population lives in NYC. Of that nearly 1 million people there are going to be a significant population of them that are going to have some pretty extreme views about Palestine.
While this poll may not accurately reflect the spectrum of beliefs of Jews in NYC, it's statistically unlikely that NYC Jews represent the entirety of the American Jewish population who reject Zionism. Meaning more than likely more than half of the NYC population of Jews support Zionism, or believe that anti Zionism equates to antisemitism.
Bending the rules is very much a part of Orthodox Judaism for sure - it's the only way to exist in today's world. I've heard (from an Orthodox Jew I worked for) that priests talk to God and Rabbis argue. Questioning - or rather, being critical of - your faith is encourage.
But most jews in New York aren't Orthodox. Most don't even go to Temple weekly.
Fair, I like that analogy. I realized that the way I phrased it sounded rather dismissive of the practices which, honestly, I am, but it seemed overly harsh, so I deleted it
I'm not Jewish myself but it's a really cool religion. Not that you asked, but my favorite rule bend in my time working with the Orthodox fellas was "shabbat mode" on his automation system. Using electricity is fine but they can't use any sort of switch (flipping a switch = creating a tiny spark = creating flame, which is prohibited) so there was the obvious lighting automation BUT his wife requested an automated outlet in the kitchen and I asked by boss why...it was so she could plug in a hot plate before Sabbath and it would turn it on at 6 so she could serve a warm meal.
I really disliked that client but I loved that shit.
The "I'm not touching you!" of interacting with omnipotent deities
The Torah is just a series of tasks written by Alex Horne
HAHA, if nothing else, that's certainly a justification.
We're clever creatures and I like that a religion recognizes that so deeply
No, but I'd argue any who listen to this advice must be.