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there's no difference between good and bad things, I insist
You're right: that wasn't a fair comparison. Sure, they're both loud, immature, hateful idiots -- but the MAGA crowd can unfortunately organize to some degree and exert their will in the real world.
The "communist" pro-authoritarian crowd ... can't. Being obnoxious online is the peak of their abilities.
I saw a person doing a thing. This must be the only thing they do, since I haven't seen them doing other things. I am very smart.
I saw a MAGA drink water once. I also saw a tankie drink water... COINCIDENCE?!
For the debate bros in the crowd, the error RoomAndBored is pointing out is an example of the fundamental attribution error, also known as correspondence bias.
So, like, instead of making assumptions about someone's internal life, look at the material, economic, social situations they're in and ask of those situations are dictating or constraining their behavior?
Not really. If you see a stranger kicking a vending machine, there's a (well-documented!) bias to think "that much be a violent and angry person" instead of "that person is having such a bad day they're kicking vending machines now."
You could go dig all the way into material and social situations that caused a person to yada yada yada, but that's way deeper in.
Cool, thank you for the explanation.
Well, there's a fair chance I wasn't talking about you.
Are you a communist, or are you one of the authoritarian worshiping shit-heels that don't deserve the title? Because I thought communism was fundamentally about equity and human dignity -- which means the later needs to be kicked back into the sewers whenever they try to crawl out.
Anyone that fellates or defends authoritarians (or those that aspire to be one) regardless of their "side" can fuck off.
Lenin would kill it on here
The kind Vladimir Ilyich would have killed everyone here.
If twitter had existed in the 1910s communism would have died on the vine. Non of them would would have ever stopped posting.
Maybe something was lost in translation, but I don't care if Marx himself descended from the heavens and tattooed that on my forehead: no. Anyone willingly to unquestioningly submit to authority isn't worthy of consideration or respect. Leaders need to be questioned and held to law and decency. My issue is with the people that follow leaders that don't head the will and well being of others.
I'll happily be an "enemy" of anyone that takes issue with that.
Letting liberals write your political theory isn't doing you any favors. I don't give a shit what sect you are, you're no better than a Blairite. All states are maintained through force and that judicial bit is 100% extraneous because, if the judicial branch has observable sway, it will be declared to either be kabuki theater or part of the oligarchy (see: people talking about China's Supreme Court).
So you are basically just saying "undemocratic" but with a pretentious buzzword sanctioned by liberal morons and hucksters.
Here's a fun one though: if that's the only relevant measurement, China does great because it has immense public approval even according to hostile western polling!
So you would therefore need to admit that it wasn't a good fit for the term "authoritarian," right?
This definition of "authoritarian" applies to everybody. And literally none of the leaders of the Soviet union or the dprk qualify as dictators according to your definition either lmfao.
Please, please read State and Revolution. There are a lot of confusions that you have that that reading would do a lot to clear up. You have no historical materialist understanding of the state and frankly I think a lot of the disagreements that you have are not in actuality disagreements on principles but of confusion on the topic.
I disagree with your definition of authoritarianism. 50.5% of a population voting to elect a representative or enact a referendum versus the 49.5% is authoritarianism. The same if the margin is 67-33, or 80-22 or 99.9 to 0.1. In any case, the minority is imposed upon by the majority. The individual is imposed upon by the collective, or even merely another individual.
Like Engels said, the revolution is certainly an authoritarian endeavor. The original expropriation was authoritarian, and the counter-expropriation would be a counter-posing authoritarianism. How can you take something from someone without imposition? If asking nicely worked, then we wouldn't be posting here.
The opposite of authoritarianism isn't democracy, but pure volunteerism. That would be nice.
Please try harder. This is really tedious. Posting half baked "definitions" of political boggarts makes it hard to take the piss. I need you to give me something to work with here.
Yeah! Fuck fake communists like - checks notes - Engels
Mate, I'm sending up your solipsistic comment that everyone you're taking issue with online can only exist in that online space, and that they're only "communist" when you can identify them as "being obnoxious". We're still communist even when we're not engaging in internet shit fights.
I'm one of those authoritarian shitheels. Forcing people to build a better world is good and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Communism is about workers owning the means of production, and the end result being a moneyless, classless, stateless society. Maybe you should go read the book.
What is it with y'all and the homophobia? And it's always blowjobs. Why not give the vagina's some love? Why can't we flick the bean of authoritarianism? Paddle the love canoe? Munch the carpet of repression? Can't escape the damn patriarchy anywhere these days.
Ok vaush
you're talking to an organizer sweetheart. we're doing quite well, thank you for checking in!
Cool, what have you changed? We routinely to get pro-labor candidates elected and stopped local social services from getting defunded.
nothing I'm willing to talk about on a public forum. doxxing myself would be quite the oopsie.
Oh, that's a shame. We also pushed for our city to require a PLA for all tax funded development. It was much easier with our candidates in office.
Edit: fixed the link.
awesome! glad you won
The government has a long sordid history of violently suppressing which of these groups?
Real civility cuck moment
Hey now, kink shaming isn't kind. There's nothing wrong with having a cuckoldry fetish as long as everyone is a consenting adult.
Bro didn't you know? We hold the power of life and death in our blood stained authoritarian hands. If we don't the demon rats will lose and the greater of two evils will win! The horror!