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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Yep, the soviet space program took fewer lives overall.

[-] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 year ago

I haven’t forgiven them for sending up a dog and a monkey though

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago
[-] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago

I don’t forgive the nazis or the americans either

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

And the first ones sent by NASA BTW

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

The Nedelin disaster claimed more lives than NASA did over its entire existence.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Nedelin was a part of the millitary rocketry program, not the space program. If you want to include Nedelin, then the ICBM disasters in the US should also be included. The space programs and ICBM programs were very closely related on both sides, but if we strictly keep it to the space program the soviets were safer.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

ICBMs are spaceflight rockets, imo it's best to count them. The US hasn't had such large accidents with ICBMs, mostly minor ones.

Even if we exclude those it's not true. The US has sent significantly more people into space than the Soviets did, so NASAs accident rate was lower (hence safer), even if the absolute number of deaths was higher.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Spaceflight rockets are ICBMs, if we are being pedantic. The space program was the civilian-facing part of the broader rocketry programs.

Either way, if we exclude them, it is still true, but you can also measure by ratio. It just goes to show that you can manipulate real data to be presented in any way you want, and add or subtract context as needed for your angle.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

They wouldn't even get there without Russian engines.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

Did they have a comparable number of people sent to space?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

During the space race, sure, from what I can find.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

I've got this goober tagged as "tankie" in my app, they're quite steadily pro Russian.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I’ve got this goober tagged as “tankie” in my app

lmao

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a Marxist, sure, very openly so. I don't really think anyone cares about who you've sniffed out to be a commie or not, especially considering I have it plastered all over my profile and frequently outright state it. I wouldn't say "pro-Russian," either, the Russian Federation is deeply flawed and has tragically fallen from their far more progressive Soviet heritage.

I'm very anti-NATO, like the vast majority of Marxists, and I don't fall for the hysteria around the Russian Federation as some ultimate evil, though, so if that's all it takes to be "pro-Russian" for you then that's funny.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

So, you're pro Russian, but smart enough to not outright say it. Because they certainly do a lot of evil stuff.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Being anti-NATO and not falling for the current hysteria that overplays the negative aspects of the RF and underplays the negative aspects of NATO-aligned countries is being "pro-Russian?" I'm far more willing to say I'm pro-PRC, or pro-Cuba, than I would be to say I'm pro-Russian, but I do understand that a lot of countries I support, like Burkina Faso, do rely quite a bit on the RF, and if the RF fell, the west would have a much stronger position in terrorizing the global south.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

they already hit the independent thought alarm years ago https://lemmy.nz/post/1227237 i-cant

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Incredible, lmao.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

Fewer human lives—sure, if you only include verified deaths—but the Soviet space program had considerably more deaths overall once you factor in other animals.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Not actually true, both sides used animal testing.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Both sides sent animals into space, and many didn't return. Animal testing in particular isn't something unknown to science, nor was it done out of intentional cruelty nor for the purpose of profits, like the cosmetics industry. I feel like you're narrowing in on something that ultimately isn't an equivalent comparison, especially when compared to the scale of the food industry and its systematized mass brutality every second of every day.

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