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Wow, the federalist society has turned on him? Maybe that's not new, but it sure is crazy how much conservatives with power regret using him.
If he wins the nomination, they will explain that they were mistaken.
This will 1,000,000% be a thing mark my words. Conservatives are twister Grandmasters. Happily bending themselves into inhuman and unsurvivable knots
It's not a complex twist or something. It's really, really simple: They're lying.
You can ignore almost everything a conservative says. They're lying. To see what they think, look at what they are doing.
They say, "We want to stop government waste!" while ushering in unprecedented levels of corruption.
They say, "We believe in freedom of speech!" while leading the charge for the most overt, fascist, restrictive policies in decades.
They say, "Law and order!" while electing people involved in multiple federal criminal trials.
Look to what they do, not what they say.
I think most people misunderstand what they are trying to conserve, which is power.
Yes they will say that they are trying to preserve our social norms. So power. Or our tradition. So power. Or our culture. So power. There is nothing that they can give as an example that does not equate to their power or control over others.
To which I have only one thing to say. Let other people live their lives as they see fit. And we will stop gay marrying all of you. Which is a shame because Todd was really looking forward to it. We know he'd take good care of you. But if you're willing to let us make our own decisions. We will let you.
You guys should have let him win and end his second term.
All this crap is just elevating him to martyrdom, and god forbid you actually put him in jail before the elections. This has trendously backfire so many times throughout history. 100 years are gonna pass and you will still have people being trumpists wearing maga hats.
You're an idiot because that was going to happen either way, as they are already a cult. We need to face the fact that Trump is the new Joseph Smith/L Ron Hubbard/Jim Jones, leading his congregation of fascists. MAGA is going to be something we're going to be dealing with at least as long as Trump lives, if not longer.
Four more years of Trump would have allowed him to solidify his power and end democracy in the United States, he needed to be voted out, if not more direct means of removal.
I may be an idiot but it's cute that you think it cannot get worse since they "are already a cult".
a second term of trump now will be an order of magnitude worse.
apparently we should have let him have a second term w/o the fight. and generally should let him (and his MAGA mob) do whatever they want. Clearly the mistake is to fight back -- if we just let them walk all over us we'll be better off because, i suppose, because then they won't be forced to do something really bad to us?
how dare we force them to be horrible!
Yes, he really was going to be an honest interlocutor the second time around🤞. If only we hadn't stolen the election and been caught; now he has to burn it all down.
do you really think this was what I meant? or are you just pretending?
No one knows what you mean because what you're saying makes no sense. How would a delayed second term be better than a consecutive second term?
How would it be worse, like more of Jan 6? Would you explain what you mean?
Actually made me laugh. Guys, democrats just need to let repubs win and not hold elected officials responsible for crimes in office, come on.
Nice try Donald
Should have let him "win"? First off his plan was thwarted by his own party, his own staff, and his own appointed judges. Virtually all his political opponents did is critism him from a distance.
But let's pretend that everyone should have helped steal the election, or voted for him out of fear (yikes), you really think this guy was ever gonna leave the white house, even after a 2nd term?
He's been hinting at being president for life a few times, and he was slowly replacing all the top positions in the country by loyalist. Meanwhile, his supporters were absolutely thrilled at the idea that Ivanka should be his successors, and that we should live under the Trump dynasty. After a 2nd term he would have pulled some shit, created a crisis out of his own to justify extending his presidential powers, and if he succeeded, that would have been it. He telegraphied his every move and a lot of peolle in 2016 already knew he would not leave willingly and call the next election rigged. He telegraphied wanting to be president for life, and you can be absolutely sure that he would not have stopped at a 2nd term.
Trump as a martyr is still better than Trump as POTUS. Believing that criminals should just get out of charges because of if their station or their potential martyrdom is the biggest issue with the US legal system. It creates a separate set of laws only for the rich and elite. The biggest failure through all of this legal stuff is that he's allowed to walk around free instead of spending time in jail like everyone else would. Lock him up and take away his social media access, and his message will be mitigated reducing the martyr effect.