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It's cyclical and it's been happening for thousands of years. It's part of our human nature.
We all work together and build systems, societies and civilizations and do great things. We become wealthy and then slowly concentrate that wealth to smaller and smaller groups of people. Eventually the majority of the wealth is controlled by a very small group of people and everyone else has nothing. The system at this point can not sustain itself and collapses. Then the whole human system restarts again from the bottom.
It's happened many many times throughout human history.
We are just at the height of one of those cycles.
Maybe this can change in the software space with the advent of foss.
It kinda is I suppose, even if very, very slowly.
Entropy. Plain and simple.
I think the overall picture is accurate, wealth typically concentrates in good times, and spreads out in bad ones. However, we in the West are still nowhere near the all-time highs of inequality, and while it's cyclic it's not in a predictable way like that. I don't think it's even clear that highly unequal societies must become unstable.
The trouble is that we can't apply the same speed of development or collapse to our civilization as to those in the past.
We have nuclear weapons, mass communications, global internet and interconnected multinational financial systems that all work at real time speed all across the world at the mass level and individual level.
We are capable of developing in so many ways at such great speed compared to the past .... but we are also capable to destroying ourselves instantly through nuclear warfare, or within a century through our ignorance of climate change.
Yeah, technology is really different. Ideology is also new; agricultural civilisation had versions of feudalism for thousands of years until the American and French revolutions, and it seems like they've actually made a huge difference in how things go. It's pretty much the sole reason I think we could break the cycle.
What exactly do you mean by system collapsing and restarting? How does it look?
Oooh! I got this one! There’s an excellent YouTube channel called “Fall of Civilizations” that show all the different ways this happened in the past.
https://youtube.com/@FallofCivilizations
Thanks for the… explanation, but I think you've had enough alcohol or whatever you take.
You're welcome you rude piece of shit.
Theres something about the human mind as we take more shits throughout the years everything starts to hear, look, smell, taste and feel more and more like shit as the time passes.
Which perfectly explains why my greatnana who lived to be 100 thought it was absolutely hilarious that she shat herself when she tried to blow out her candles on her birthday cake.