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You’re a Cyclist Who Was Just Struck by a Car Driver. Here’s Why It Was Your Fault
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this post was submitted on 14 Aug 2023
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When I was riding, I actually found by night it was better to make myself as invisible as possible and assume cars could not see me, since when I went out bright and shiny they were unpredictable and more dangerous.
As a daily cyclist - and as a motorist, please don't do this. Being invisible at night on a bike is a bad idea.
I'm from a country where we have no fucking sunlight half the year, and seriously, reflectors etc are a must and we have halfway decent infrastructure for biking. So many people injure and cripple themselves or get killed, just because a driver couldn't see them. Remember, a ton of drivers are not just assholes, they're idiots. Half of them are on the phone or doing shit on their phone or focusing on anything other than driving. It's no more noble to die by an idiot than an asshole.
And this is the kind of ideas motorists (as you describe it) have to face every day🤦🤦♀️
Well the alternative is to be lit up and at the mercy of motorists who don't know how to share the street. As I said, it was more typical they'd drive erratically near me when I had lights and reflectors up than when I was shrouded.
Maybe when we automate our cars so they're not dependent on human beings, it might be safe to be near them.
I don’t know where you live, but cycling in London on a daily basis for a commute, I don’t commonly see the kind of driver aggression you describe.
I absolutely do come across cyclists with no lights/reflectors, wearing dark clothes that aren’t visible until the last moment- and it is all to imaginable how they could be part of an accident with car - or pedestrian.
The most common threat is someone ‘dooring’ you as they get out of a parked car, or coming out of side turn without noticing you. Both threats are magnified my invisibility
I lived in San Francisco until 2015. (I got pushed out due to gentrification, and ceased biking at all after the epidemic lockdown of 2020.) It's possible I just bicycled quieter routes. Here in California, those exiting vehicles into traffic know to open their doors slowly, lest they lose doors and limbs to high-speed motor traffic. I've never hit someone -- or near-missed, for that matter -- exiting a vehicle.
I have been run off the road from lingering in blind spots but my reflectors weren't a factor in those cases. San Franciscans are not great at consistent turn signaling.
I'm in Sacramento, now, and yes, the drivers are less aggressive here, but I haven't been cycling at all, yet, let alone cycling in traffic. I can't speak for London drivers, and would probably adjust my cycling habits accordingly if I were to move there. But in San Francisco, cyclists are infamously not well liked, either by motorists, law enforcement or city hall, though there are now more bike lanes, and The Wiggle is now a recognized route.
Well,
SF cyclists are entitled douchebag tech bros. Just unlikeable as people. Cycling (or at least, being vocal about your cycling) seems to attract the worst kinds of people.
No one is targeting cyclists. That's not a thing. It's a persecution complex dreamed up because: see above.
SF Bay drivers are some of the worst in the country. No, you're not being targeted by the person running you off the road. They just do that. All the time. To everyone.
This tracks, there's actually some evidence that drivers behave more dangerously around cyclists wearing helmets.
Scientists should study carbrains more, and try to understand why cyclists trying to protect themselves seems to attract drivers like moths to a flame.
Ever been in the car with an actual
?
Their road rage ignites the moment they see a cyclist, especially if somehow the cyclist looks gaaaaay to them.
I found the most effective, consistent method of triggering
into a blind rage is to simply smile and give them a thumbs up. I wonder if it's something about appearing content and happy while they are bound by all the contradictions and inconveniences of owning a car, especially in a city.
I actually had to stop doing it because one guy sped up so much to beat me to the next red light, he first very nearly hit me on the way and then had to slam on his breaks so hard he lost traction and almost spun out - all this in the middle of a city intersection with narrow roads, no less.
You may be on to something.
On a similar trip with a
driving, the 
was rambling about how much he hated "the wife" and how men are always miserable when they are married and other 
tier misogynist bullshit.
I responded that I loved my wife, and said so with in a non-confrontational exceptional way to his claim that every man must be unhappy when married.
He got so enraged he swerved and almost hit something.
Yeah that's not a thing. 100% persecution complex.