I ansolutly agree here, the western media was telling everyone how great it's going, but its just copium. But Russian media was doing the exact same bullshit. Can we all agree that media is biased and always political.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Looking back, it's pretty clear that Russian media has been far more grounded in reality than western media. Of course, it's not because Russian media is somehow morally superior, it just happens to be easier to report factually when facts align with your narrative. Hence why it's so dangerous to confine yourself to a particular media bubble and ignore all other sources.

[+] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca -9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Even just a casual glance through some of these shows they do not say what you think they do.

Choose one, your favourite or whatever, tell me exactly why you think it means Russia's military was collapsing and I'm happy to explain what the article is actually saying.

Edit: best hurry if you want a response soon. Once my build is deployed, I'm done here for the night. And you are not interesting enough to bother with in my free time.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't care about your response, I posted these to illustrate how utterly full of shit you are. The fact that you just keep digging is frankly amazing. Since you're evidently overwhelmed by the evidence against your claim, I'll pick a random one for you here. Go ahead and give it your best spin, I can't wait to be entertained https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/putin-last-stand-russia-defeat

[+] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca -9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When you say you read and comprehend, are you talking about just the tagline, or are you really claiming you read this article and think it supports your claim that

For three whole years western media promised that Russia was on the verge of collapse both militarily and economically.

Maybe reread the first four paragraphs and try again? Or, double down but, uhhh, that seems pretty silly.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, I'm talking about the entire article which very clearly suggests that Russia is losing. Hilariously, the first paragraph you're referencing describes precisely what we're seeing happen now as something that wouldn't happen:

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine was meant to be his crowning achievement, a demonstration of how far Russia had come since the collapse of the Soviet empire in 1991. Annexing Ukraine was supposed to be a first step in reconstructing a Russian empire. Putin intended to expose the United States as a paper tiger outside Western Europe and to demonstrate that Russia, along with China, was destined for a leadership role in a new, multipolar international order.

Maybe sign up for an English course?

[–] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow.... You really think the above happened? Russia was supposed to walk into Kyiev in a couple of weeks. Instead, Russia's taken a miserable amount of territory at an insane cost of men, had to reorient the economy, beg Iran and China for drones and clearly is the subservient partner behind China.

You might note that the author's first defeat scenario is a peace treaty that would let Putin have some trifling territory like Crimea. (Admittedly, as the article is more than 2.5 years old, battlefield conditions changed and there'll likely be more territorial concessions but the basic shape of the agreememnt is similar.)

But if you want to pretend that the Ukraine debacle has been the glorious adventure outlined above, well, I guess enough RT, or a childish refusal to acknowledge being wrong on the internet, will do that to someone.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia did indeed nearly make a deal with Ukraine in Istanbul before the west told Ukraine that they wouldn't get security guarantees if that happened. From that point on it became an actual war that Russia is currently winning. The fact that you think the war is about territory shows that you have absolutely no clue regarding the subject you're opining on.

Meanwhile, Russia successfully reorienting its economy away from the west shows just how irrelevant the west has become now. Russia's economy is now growing faster than any western economy. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399

The World Bank just reclassified Russia as a high income country https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/opendata/world-bank-country-classifications-by-income-level-for-2024-2025

I do love your cope of calling Russia subservient to China. I guess you must be projecting the status of Canada regarding the US here.

Admittedly, as the article is more than 2.5 years old, battlefield conditions changed and there’ll likely be more territorial concessions but the basic shape of the agreememnt is similar.)

And how did they change in the completely opposite direction of what western media was prediction genius?

But if you want to pretend that the Ukraine debacle has been the glorious adventure outlined above, well, I guess enough RT, or a childish refusal to acknowledge being wrong on the internet, will do that to someone.

It's quite clear that the war in Ukraine showed that NATO is impotent, that Russia is able to not only survive, but actually grow its economy without the west, it massively increased Chinese geopolitical position, strengthened BRICS, and kicked off dedollarization. This is precisely the scenario above. I guess uncritically guzzling western propaganda or a childish refusal to acknowledge being wrong on the internet, will do that to someone.

[–] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't tell if you're just unconstrained by objective reality or a not particularly well oriented LLM but either way, you do you.

There's not much to be gained by someone/something doing the equivalent of "nononononononononononono I'm not listening!"

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did ChatGPT help you write that?

[–] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago

What a strange response.