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Say what you will about reddit, at least an established subreddit was the place to gather on the topic, ie r/technology etc.

With Lemmy, doesn't it follow that similar communities on different instances will simply dilute the userbase, for example !technology@lemmy.ml and !technology@beehaw.org. How do we best use lemmy as a (small c) community when a topic can be split amongst many (large C) Communities?

This is an earnest question, in no way am I suggesting lemmy is inferior to reddit. I'm quite enjoying myself here.

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[–] CookieJarObserver@feddit.de 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Let them be. There are 20 different memes subreddits as well the best one will win.

[–] falconfetus8@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, the one on Lemmy.ml will win, since that's the first place new users are going.

[–] CookieJarObserver@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats not necessarily true. Behaw is also very big, feddit de as well. And there is no "winning" you can just have multiple...

[–] FuzzyDunlop@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I read strange stuff about beehaw, the admin going primadonna or somethin'...

[–] arbiter@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Do you have a link for this?

[–] danielton@outpost.zeuslink.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not crazy about the idea that some instances can disable downvotes.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

It only affects communities on their instance.

General rule of any social media: your server, your rules.

[–] CookieJarObserver@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Hm... Ok idk about that, but there are many other instances

[–] falconfetus8@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I noped out of Beehaw when I read this. Those bolded parts(and only the bolded parts) raised some alarm bells in my brain.

The issue as I see it with modern social media is the way in which rules are enforced. There are many good reasons to itemize specific behavior which is not allowed, but the downside is that extremely specific rules are easy to maneuver around. We’ve all experienced someone who’s a real jerk on the internet but manages to never get banned because they never explicitly violate any rules. I’m not sexist, they’ll claim, but happen to post a lot of articles calling into question modern feminism or criticize the wage gap.

I think many people today would agree that someone ‘debating’ the benefits of phrenology in the open would constitute racist behavior, but there was a time and place in the world where it was considered real science, despite many scientists distancing themselves from this field very early on and critics writing scathing commentaries on this emerging field. This same guise of civility is frequently exercised by bigots, with modern examples of sexism, homophobia and transphobia being easily found on nearly any major social media platform.

Humans are pretty good at figuring out when someone is being a dick online, even if they are acting within the defined rules, and one solution to this problem is to recenter humans in our online social platforms. The idea of not having a ton of explicit rules, and instead having simple rules like “Be(e) nice” is a startling one for most, because it upends what we’ve come to know and expect from the internet. However, by keeping the rules simple and instead attempting to enforce the spirit behind the rules, we’re able to deal more effectively with problematic individuals and create a space in which you aren’t worried about whether you’re going to have explain to someone why you’re a human and why you shouldn’t be subject to incessant bigotry online.

The lack of clear rules just sounds ripe for power tripping.

Do note that I am NOT objecting to the need to create a bigotry-free zone. It's important that Lemmy avoids getting infected by racism and hate, lest it end up like Voat. It's just those bolded parts that give me bad vibes about the place.

[–] cavemeat@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

You're right, I assume social darwinism will be at play

[–] nickajeglin@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

That was my first thought as well. There are often a couple huge subs about variations of a topic, then a constellation of smaller subs about more niche aspects of that topic, or circlejerk versions. People naturally gravitate towards the largest one and swerve away from it if the mods go crazy or if it gets brigaded.

Nature finds a way. I sub all of them and then I unsub if I get too many duplicates.