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I really don’t get why so many people are turning this into a privacy versus anonymity debate when the real problem is censorship.

Yes, Signal needs a phone number to sign up, but replacing that with an email or username doesn’t make it anonymous. The real issue is that governments are blocking the registration SMS, so people can’t even sign up for the app in the first place.

Sure, there are workarounds, but most people aren’t going to jump through all those extra hoops just to use an app. If we want to spread privacy, how do we do that when Signal's phone number requirement is actively working against us?

Instead of arguing over privacy versus anonymity, shouldn’t we focus on making sure everyone can access Signal without issues? What do you think?

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Where are you seeing gov blocking SMS?

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

How about this - in order to get a sim card to receive that SMS in most EU countries, you need first to provide your ID to the goverment. Also applies for many other countries with less rights. Some of which might become suspicious if it's a second separate SIM to your normal use one. So yeah, so much for anonymity.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
  1. That didn't answer my question
  2. Doesn't matter what country you're in. You don't need a SIM. All you need is a number, which you can get from a variety of places like MySudo or jmp.chat
  3. No one said Signal provided anonymity.
[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

2 and 3 are the whole point of the original post.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure, there are workarounds, but most people aren’t going to jump through all those extra hoops just to use an app.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Must not be important to them then.

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

And that's one way to make things marginalized.

[–] shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 11 months ago

you need first to provide your ID to the goverment.

Doesn't need to be a government issued ID iirc, also doesn't have to be issued by the country you are trying to purchase it in.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's any number of reasons for SMS not to be sent. I've had this problem on various platforms as well.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The point is that people can't sign up for Signal due to blocked SMS. Arguing privacy versus anonymity is pointless when there is a denial of service.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

These are 2 unrelated conversations. If you want to have either one of them, we can do that, but you can't use one to argue the other. You can't argue that you can't sign up for Signal because the service isn't private. That's simply inaccurate.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This is never written anywhere in that comment. Is it too hard to read? Which part is confusing?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You haven't provided any evidence that it's "blocked" or that there is any "denial of service". As far as I can tell, the user has network issues.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why are all the 'network issues' always effecting phone numbers starting with the same country code?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Get a number like theirs and try it yourself.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Okay so you don't have any evidence.

Even if they are, like I mentioned elsewhere, just get a VoIP number.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You were given the evidence. It's clear you don't want evidence. A VoIP number does not solve this as the original post already explains.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 11 months ago

You haven't provided any evidence. Only an anecdote.