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submitted 1 year ago by hereforawhile@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

What's the closest thing we have to a perfect private messanger?

In my mind the perfect private messanger is both completely secure, and also completely anonymous.

All the mainstream messengers can pretty much ensure the contents of the message will not be revealed....but that is not good enough. I want to be able to deploy and establish a completely anonymous AND private channel of communication on a dime without having to jump through extreme operational security hoops.

Does it really exist?

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[-] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lot of people mentioning SimpleX but I can't imagine trying to make someone go online at the same time as me to start sending each other messages without being annoyed. It also relies on funding from the British state IIRC.

On the other hand XMPP is a W3C internet standard, the server is super lightweight, plenty of tools and bridges work with it. Movim uses it, which is like an encrypted Mastodon where you can selectively make a post public but otherwise gates everything behind a login. Also you can send messages on the main phone network with the paid Cheogram service, but I realize that an unencrypted SMS relay is not a priority for everyone. I think it's the bee's knees.

[-] notarobot@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Simplex works async. You might be thinking of briar

[-] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I don't understand how every person responding to me has missed that I said "start chatting" not "continue chatting" but I will be idiot-proofing my lemmy comments from here on out, it's exhausting

[-] notarobot@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Such a high horse for such a tiny person.

  1. On simplex you can "start chatting" asynchronously
  2. You didn't say "start chatting". You said "start sending messages" which is something you do with people every day
  3. "Start chatting" and "continue chatting" do not mean what you imply the mean. There is no distinction between them as "the absolute first time" and "all the others". I can start talking again with a friend I haven't talked to in months. I can also start talking about a previous topi (" me and my girlfriend started talking once again about having children")

So... You know... Maybe get off the horse? It's not that everyone around you is an idiot is that you failed to communicate... Or you are an idiot

[-] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lot of people mentioning SimpleX but I can't imagine trying to make someone go online at the same time as me to start sending each other messages without being annoyed.

Do you just keep your phone off or do you not use your IM clients there? Literally never had this issue with simplex, it deliveres notifications just fine to my phone.

Though I did manually have to give it notification perms on android. Annoying but very easy fix.

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