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These Iowa Republicans say they'll support 'perfect' Trump no matter what — 'until he dies'
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Hear me out. Trump is unelectable. He can get through a primary. He can't get through a general. He precludes any other candidate and more importantly, he precludes any other kind of candidate. Desantis had a chance, because he did an OK job of replicating 'Trumpism'. But you can't grow beyond a core base of pyschopaths with that kind of candidate. That base isn't growing. Its a fixed quantity. Having Trump around means you both a) cant run an alternative candidate because you cant capture the core to get through a primary, and b) can't expand beyond the core because of the nature of the candidate.
The Republican party is basically fucked because of this. Because until Trump goes away, they can't move on. And you'll never win a national election with him again.
Can we not fucking underestimate stupidity again, please? Were some of y'all not around in 2016? Your entire comment could have come wholesale from that time around. And then after everything, he barely lost 2020.
This kind of conjecture is harmful. Calling him unelectable is harmful.
Register to vote. Follow through.
This is hyperbole. Its more important to get things right than to engage is histrionics. He's not electable because he ran in an election and couldn't get elected. That makes him objectively UN-electable.
2016 falls completely on the back of the Democrats by forcing through a candidate who was also, objectively, un-electable. She had lost her previous bid at a national election to Barrack Obama.
The definition of unelectible means that they can not win an election. Donald Trump meets this definition.
That makes no fucking sense. "both had unelectable candidates, so one won over the other" uhhhh not unelectable then. Donald Trump does not meet that definition because he won a fucking election.
Bro, can you even follow a simple series of statements? Trump wasn't unelectable in 2016. He was an unknown. He hadn't lost an election. Hillary had. Try and keep up.
He's now lost an election. He is coming off a L into an election. That makes him less than electable, because he did not win his previous election; as in he a loser, a failure.
They're perfectly ok with taking the whitehouse by force
And now we get to the core. Fascism won’t go away by ignoring it. Police and military force will be required. Unfortunately, the government won’t do that because they are captured by corporations, and it would wreck the economy. So fascism will be allowed to fester until it takes over.
Also the police are fascist too. We need to rework our entire system from the ground up which will take a long time. Or we can burn everything and start over.
Hear me out, what if instead of burning everything we only burned the fascists?
I vote we do the latter
Verum
They are also to an extent captured by fascists. Its important to identify them and call them out as such.
It certainly doesn't help to have fascist-collaborators telling people it's inevitable.
Historically, capitalism turns into fascism. By ignoring history, we allow this to happen.
Yeah but they can't. They had a solid shot on J6, and came within about 90's of doing so.
They will not get that shot again. The next general isn't even going to be close.
Unfortunately the Republican party has been basically fucked throughout my entire life, and it still manages to slouch towards Washington.
Increasing amounts of cheating at the local level. Mostly through gerrymandering and voter suppression. That's the only reason they look like a viable party.
That and their propaganda channels Fox, OAN, Newsmax...
Let’s hope you’re right
Trump won in 2016 and came within a few thousand votes of doing so in 2020. His supporters now are even more fired up and enthusiastic.
Most people who vote for Biden do so grudgingly. So this is an uphill battle for Democrats
Until the priorities of the the Democratic party become the priorities of their voters, every election will be an uphill battle for them. This is the contrast between the two parties. We may hate, and should, the priorities of segregation, hate, racism, and classissm represented by the Republican party, but to be clear, these are also the priorities and values of their voters. This alignment makes them formidable, no doubt.
However, the Republicans has set themselves up for an easy layup in 2016, and frankly, screwed the pooch in 2020 with their COVID response (although it's not clear to me they could have done otherwise with their base). Bidens got some strong Ws to run on and, frankly, has shocked many with his political competance.
The elections for the next cycle will be close, but a clear Democratic victory. The margin will increase in the next cycle. After that, I expect a third conservative party to manifest, because conservative voters will be having a hard time voting for a party incapable of winning.
I don't expect white nationalism to go away. I think it's an occified feature of the American body politic. Howerber, and because of this, it will make it difficult/ impossible for conservatives to compete effectively for the Presidency.