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[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone -2 points 10 months ago

How could corruption run rife when there are no bribable politicians?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

The government is tied to the mode of production, it isn't above it. When capital owners hold sway over how society functions, it isn't through bribes alone that this happens. Control of media, control of the state, administration, cultural hegemony, etc all influence it. As such, no direct democracy could really exist in capitalism.

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Even an honest and well meaning politician will be blocked at every step. Like corporations and big businesses sabotaging key supply chains, media engaging in character assassination, and if all that fails then either a military coup or a literal assassination (like they did to Salvador Allende in Chile). Unless the politicians try to gain concessions from the ruling class in exchange for complacency, which means we still have our status quo.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone -2 points 10 months ago

Direct democracy gets rid of politicians and the general population vote on each bill/law change

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

That still doesn't guarantee the military won't take over, reactionary sentiments spread through propaganda, etc. Without a revolution there will never be true democracy.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone -2 points 10 months ago

... The military could literally take over under any system. That is not an excuse to sit on our hands

[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

My point isn't that everything is futile, but rather that a better democracy isn't possible under capitalism.

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