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I’m willing to believe he killed himself to protect the organization, but someone on the outside created the conditions for him to do so. The idea that one of the most closely guarded prisoners in the country just happened to know exactly when the guards were negligent and when the cameras were malfunctioning is just absurd. He was given a window of opportunity by somebody, at the very least, or murdered at most.
I have no doubt that the contract required to enter an international sex trafficking organization also includes exit obligations if you are caught. There are a whole lot of dead people around this case, and the chance of it being a conspiracy is way higher than the chance of it being a coincidence at this point.
That’s the actual conspiracy. I don’t get why so many feel the need to manufacture an actual person that would have to physically murder the man and be kept silent afterwards. All they had to do was give an already suicidal man (did everyone forget he was on suicide watch and then taken off?) shoelaces or whatever and not watch him. That isn’t conspiracy enough? The chain of phone calls from powerful people funneled down to the orders to individuals at the prison who were instructed to provide him the tools and time to kill himself?
I for one am shocked people think the sex trafficker with deep ties to the US President and the IDF was inappropriately dispatched of.
For what motivation would he kill himself? Not what we expect from a selfish monster.
To protect the overall organization and potentially to protect other people in his life. My impression from looking at the documents is that this is a very large international network. I imagine there would be consequences for being caught, such as the torture and murder of everyone you hold dear. If your only options are to kill yourself or to get murdered and have everyone around you also tortured and killed, I could see a narcissist choosing the former option.
I don’t know anything for sure, but the released files definitely gave me the impression that Epstein was not the top of the chain. Rather, he seems like the American representative of an extensive global cabal. Somebody out there was putting together those sample albums of girls for him. Somebody was running the brothels he seemed to be visiting. He was getting calls from all over the globe with descriptions of new girls. It seems to go much deeper than just Ghislaine trolling the local middle schools for fresh meat.
So, if he did kill himself (heavy on the if), then I’d imagine it was partially because there is a scarier monster out there who is ready to take out the trash if anybody gets sloppy.
If anyone can't imagine Donald Trump or Prince Andrew torturing family members, I do want to add a reminder that Israel's Mossad seems to be heavily tied into Epstein and potentially the trafficking ring itself.
You misunderstand me—I can see them being ok with torturing family members, but if the options are to either die by suicide or die by murder plus they demolish your empire, I think there’s a chance that they choose the former.
Correcting you wasn't my intention at all. Sorry if it sounded like I was. I was merely adding to what you were saying (or attempting to).
It’s all good, friend. I, too, apologize if I misinterpreted your response.
Look at us—just two civil lemmings having a polite conversation. This really is the superior social media.
You're asking why a disgraced man facing life in prison would kill himself?
Life in prison for a crime so despicable that it typically includes being beaten to death by the other inmates.
I tend to apply an assumption of incompetence before conspiracy as a sort of Occam's razor and it's never steered me wrong.
Could the circumstances of Epstein's death be explained by ordinary incompetence? Almost certainly.
Is there any actual evidence that it was something other than incompetence? In this case, not really.
It's easy to believe that a guard fell asleep, that the prescribed routine of checking every half hour just wasn't fucking happening, and that prison guard isn't really a "skilled" position. "He didn't seem like he was going to kill himself so I didn't check." Is a lot more believable than a vast conspiracy that has yet to be independently confirmed by any involved person. "I was ordered to look the other way while Epstein hung himself" sells a million copies in weekend. If anybody had any evidence that it was malicious in any way, that shit would have been front page news 5 years ago.
Generally speaking, I agree with you, but in this case, there is a massive amount of evidence in the released documents that suggests there is an international network supplying women to powerful people. Several of these people are still in office or hold aristocratic titles, and they will do damn near anything to hold on to those.
Let’s say it was basic incompetence that led the guards to fall asleep and the cameras to malfunction—how did Epstein know that was happening to act at the moment that he did?