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Those who literally deny the existence of the massacre in the Tiananmen Square, claiming that "nobody was killed" (or far more rarely, unapologetically stating that if they were, then they deserved it). Basically far-left extremists that exist in a world of "alternative facts" just like conservatives, the common denominator being that and simping for authoritarian regimes.
Words like "consent" tend not to matter to those holding that ideology.
"Tankie" does not come from Tiananmen Square, that is a common misconception. The term "tankie" is 33 years older than the Tiananmen Square massacre.
It originated to describe people who supported the 1956 Soviet Union military intervention in Hungary. Stalin sent in a bunch of T-35 tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution. He was successful, and thousands of people died in the process.
Ever since then, "tankie" has been used as a derogatory term against Stalinists, Marxist-Leninists, communists, and leftists in general.
To be fair, tanks seem to be a favored tool of these oppressive regimes. I'm personally not against communism, they have some good ideas like universal child care, guaranteed jobs, and housing (even though the latter may be considered sub-par by some). The problem comes when these fucking authoritarian cheerleaders come out and say communist governments were never oppressive.
The "oppression" you're referring to is confiscating the properties of bourgeois capitalists and landlords, and imprisoning them and their accomplices in case of resistance. This confiscation and appropriation by the state is what makes free, universal care and other social benefits possible. It's absurd to expect the features of communism without the policies behind them.
Also, the idea that authoritarian socialist governments just have a sadistic tendency to oppress and torture poor peasants is deeply unserious and a work of imagination created by western capitalist propaganda.
The oppression they’re referring to is shooting at protestors wanting democratic reforms. The comment before that literally gives an example, the least you could do is look into it.
First of all, socialist governments, like any other government, did not use force on protestors unless provoked by seditious behavior (i.e. coup attempt or political unrest), and only in proportion, which was the case in Hungary and in China. Stories about tanks crushing the bodies of protestors is fictitious. Also, the history of the Soviet Union, the PRC and other socialist polities is filled with workers protests that were left unaltered because they are a natural part in the process of building socialism. Thus, the idea that freedom of expression was inexistent under socialism is false, which leads me to my second point.
The claim that the riots in socialist states called for "democratic" reforms is the furthest thing from the truth. In the case of Hungary, the 1956 uprising was orchestrated by the Prime Minister in order to establish a capitalist multi-party system and restore the property of the big landowners after they were purged in the preceding decade and their industries nationalized by the state. If you consider this to be "democracy" then you cannot consider yourself to be a leftist.
Ahh yes, the burgeois sailors of kronstadt.
Source.
Thats a really interesting bit of history, thank you for the additional context
The term mostly had been invoked by anti-authoritarian leftists derisively toward anyone who still supported the Soviet Union. In time, the usage generalized to apply broadly to authoritarian leftists, such as Marxist-Lenininsts (or Stalinists).
Now is it largely misused by liberals to designate anyone strongly critical of Western imperialism, which includes everyone from anarchists to campists.
I don't think it is a common misconception, I think it's pretty common knowledge (at least among the terminally online) that it started with the Hungarian Revolution.
I have so many questions. I guess I never viewed as "tankie" as left.
Hell, I consider myself far-left to the point of being a progressive, almost to the point of being an anarchist.
But my reality is rooted in actual facts.
Note that the term "tankie" has become an anti-communist trope to demonize any person who's to the left of free universal healthcare.
I've been called a Tankie for saying Democrats should support popular policies to win elections they care about.
Lmao is this all you post about?
Yep, and then wonder why no one likes them.
Tiananmen denial is hardly the only qualification for the term. That's an example of typical behavior, not the definition.
It's also far from the worst thing red fascists have done so it's just so weird how hard people focus on it. At least talk about gulags and kulaks sometimes, damn
That's the point. There's lots of things Stalin and Mao did wrong, but when reformers like Khrushchev or Deng came along, there were some in the West who viewed them as more moderate and sympathetic, and supported deescalation.
Trots, who were some of the most militant and aggressive cold warriors, wanted to play prevent this, so they came up with the term tankie, to imply that anyone who took that position was no different from someone who blindly supported everything done by Stalin, and then Mao.
This is why people are so hyper-focused, even now, on minor events like Tienanmen or Hungary, which pale in comparison to the bad things Stalin and Mao did, and are roughly as far back in the past. Because the real point of the insult is not to attack people who actually defend everything done by someone with a red flag, but to attack people who defend any single thing done by someone with a red flag.
This, in turn, raises the question of whether Khrushchev had the right approach at all with trying to deescalate with the West and change some of Stalin's practices, since even relatively progressive Westerners hated him just as much for it. In reality, there's literally nothing you can do to appease Westerners, y'all hate China for having billionaires and you hated before when it didn't have billionaires; you hated Russia when it was led by Stalin, you hated it when it was led by Kruschev, you were briefly ok with it when it surrendered to plundering, but even then, now you're back to hating it. AES states are clearly better off just accepting that Western "leftists" will always hate them regardless of what they do or don't do.