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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Really? Well, let's look at the definition of "nominal":

Nominal (adjective)

  • Being in name only; not literally.
  • To be related to something, without being literally something.
  • Of an amount smaller than is expected.

Sources; dictionary.com, Cambridge Dictionary, Merriam-Webster.

Let's look at how the Nordic countries are described:

The Nordic Model:

"Includes a comprehensive welfare state and multi-level collective bargaining based on the economic foundations of social corporatism, and a commitment to private ownership within a market-based mixed economy."

Mixed Economy:

"A mixed economy is an economic system that includes both elements associated with capitalism, and with socialism."

Source; Wikipedia.

So, either you're wrong because you're saying the Nordic countries have no socialism, or you're wrong because you don't understand the meaning of "nominal".

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Doubling down on this clown shit?

Let’s look at how the Nordic countries are described:

No, let's look at how the Nordic countries describe themselves, since that is the only thing that is relevant when discussing which countries are nominally socialist.

Not a single one calls themselves socialist. Every single one calls themselves capitalist. "The Kingdom of Denmark" is nominally a monarchy, because that's what it's named. That's what "nominally" means, by your own definition.

The only way you could twist words around to justify this absolute nonsense is first by ignoring the way they describe themselves completely (which makes the whole line of reasoning irrelevant since we are talking about nominally socialist countries), and then by focusing exclusively on the words "mixed economy," ignoring the parts that say, "a commitment to private ownership within a market-based mixed economy.” Then, in the third part of this clown fiesta, you completely ignore the fact that a mixed economy only includes some elements associated with socialism rather than being socialist.

By the way, why did you have to scrape together definitions from different dictionaries, instead of using the same one? It seems like you were scraping the barrel for anything you could use to make this argument, and this is still the best you could come up with.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Right, so you want to continue not understanding what the word "nominal" means, even after I've done all the work finding the definitions for you.

Like, at this point I don't even need to put effort into making you look stupid, you're doing it yourself.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Merriam-Webster:

Nominal: existing or being something in name or form only

Something nominal exists only in name. So the nominal ruler in a constitutional monarchy is the king or queen, but the real power is in the hands of the elected prime minister. In the United Kingdom, the British monarch is also the nominal head of the Church of England; and those baptized in the Church who aren't really churchgoers might be called nominal Christians.

You: The Kingdom of Denmark is nominally socialist

Yeah, I'm definitely the stupid one who doesn't know what nominal means, champ.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wow, well done! Here, have a treat.

Now your next step is to find the other definitions of "nominal", also on Merriam-Webster to make it easy, and you'll get your next treat.

You'll get a really bigerest treat if you also connect those definitions to what me and you said, and realise that you're wrong.

You Know, training a little monkey is actually fun.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The other definitions are irrelevant. Obviously, the first, primary definition is what the other user meant.

Why would you ignore the primary meaning of the word and jump to some obscure alternate interpretation that doesn't even make sense in the context?