They were both proxy wars. But what were they fighting for? In the cold war, usa wanted vietnam to remain a colony to extract profits, but ussr wanted an ally in the region instead. nowadays usa want ukraine to become a vassal state to destabilize its geopolitical adversaries in the region, specifically russia, much like israel is used against many middle eastern nations. russia has no virtuous intention other than self preservation, and they are not a superpower anymore, so they used the tools they had which was a military operation to disarm ukraine.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The USA, along with the rest of NATO, wants Ukraine to remain independent, and not fall into Russian hands.

Remember, the US is just one nation providing military aid to Ukraine. Even Australia and New Zealand are contributing.

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

The USA, along with the rest of NATO, wants Ukraine to remain independent

Lmao

Remember, the US is just one nation providing military aid to Ukraine.

Mark Rutte leader of NATO said it himself that NATO is just means for the US to project power.

Even Australia

Even "CIA Base pretending to be a country" is contributing. They literally disappeared a PM for not being thankful enough for pine gap.

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

Why did you mention USA, USA[Economic Vassal], and USA[Economic Vassal] for a total of three times?

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

The USA, along with the rest of NATO, wants Ukraine to remain independent,

That must be why they did that coup, because of how much they value Ukraine's independence

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The entire west is using Ukraine as a battering ram to damage geopolitical enemies, while harvesting it for rare Earths and resources, saddling it with debt and disrupting peace talks. The west has no virtuous intent here.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

And you think Russia had virtuous intent helping Vietnam?

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes the Soviets and Chinese of the time very much wanted Vietnam to be free of colonialism just like in Korea.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's so sweet that you think that.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

I mean it's not a hypothetical. They won. So you can see what they did after they won. The fact that they wanted a vietnam free of colonialism is testified by the fact that they freed vietnam from colonialism.

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

It's the material reality. The fact Vietnam was fighting a common enemy clearly helped but the core of support was the same as the reason they supported African liberation, to bring an end to colonialism. I think bringing an end to imperialism and colonialism is an unambiguous good. "Virtue" is nonsense anyway might as well talk about sins or ontological good and evil. The material outcomes is all that matters.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Um yikes sweaty, how cute

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Yes.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

"We have bad intent so everyone else does too"

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Listen, I'm not answering you rn because you sound super fucking smug and it's annoying. Also you haven't actually offered a detailed opinion of your own and it sounds like you are just waiting for me to give mine so you can criticize it instead of offering something of substance yourself. Answer my original question and I'll back to you when I'm sober and it isn't a few past midnight.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your original question asks me to refute an unfounded claim you've made based on no evidence whatsoever, just what you want to believe is true.

And I'm not playing that silly game.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

I was giving you my personal perspective and asking that you develop yours beyond the meme. I am genuinely curious why you think this way.