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I've been on Lemmy for a little while now, but this is by far, without a shred of a doubt, the dumbest, most idiotic comment I've ever read here. Anyone with more IQ than a toaster knows we landed on the moon. There are literal transmitters on the fucking moon that every country in the world has access to pointing to and proving.
Christ fucking sake. It's 2026. We're literally fucking doomed as a species, aren't we.
The average man is not a country, that is my whole point. Of course a country has the resources to prove we have landed on the moon but the average man does not, and guess what, that would require the average man to trust the government a government that might be lying about us going to the moon, not everyone wants the usa to get credit for it (looking at you Russia).
My point is not that it is impossible to prove we've been to the moon, my point is it is irrational for the average person to believe we have been to the moon, because the average person does not have the resources and time needed to prove we've been to the moon.
So are you claiming that it's irrational for a layman to believe anything they cannot prove themselves?
Is the moon landing just any every day occurrence that we take at face value?
No it is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence that the average man simply doesn't have.
The fact that they could get it doesn't change anything, we cannot demand the every man to verify everything and the moon landing is just one of those things that most people don't take the time to verify because honestly it's just not that important to everyday life.
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say that a giant flaming ball of plasma millions of miles away is responsible for our day/night cycle, seasons, and in a large part, weather?
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say a large, spherical rock hundreds of thousands of miles away is responsible for the tides?
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say we've launched astronauts into orbit around the earth, where they've lived for months at a time?
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say that all things with mass warp the very fabric of our reality, to the point where large enough masses can bend or even permanently trap light?
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say that light is actually made up of particles that have no mass, but travel at a measurable speed and interact measurably with other particles?
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say that tiny, basically invisible organisms are responsible for a wide variety of ailments and sicknesses that have affected all life on earth for billions of years?
Like seriously, what's your bar for "extraordinary", and why does the moon landing meet it?
And I would expect you to believe none of that without extraordinary proof, but the real difference is all the propaganda and active deception during the time.
You should believe literally nothing any government said during the cold war without external validation.
And don't forget we live in a world with Flat Earthers, not everyone has seen that proof you take as self evidence.
Wait, which is it? I shouldn't believe any extraordinary claim without extraordinary proof? Or just the ones that were made during the cold war? You still haven't given your definition of "extraordinary" either. And how is a layman supposed to obtain "extraordinary proof"? Is "extraordinary proof" different from "external validation"?
What are you actually trying to say here? Because it sounds like you're tacitly implying that laymen shouldn't believe scientists, but that would be asinine, so please correct me if I have that wrong.
Okay, how about the fact that the Soviets congratulated the US on the first moon landing.
You know, the two opposite sides of the Cold War, and the other side admitted they were beaten?
That seems like pretty good proof
So you genuinely believe it is more likely that we didn't land on the moon in the late 60s, but is in fact more believable that every government in the world since the late 60s have worked together in international unison, from turnovers of governments, left wing to fascism, working together to keep the wool pulled over the billions of regular citizens?
Geo-politically, some countries can't agree that humans have a right to access to water. They go to war over petty disagreements. But they'll completely work together to defend the global cover-up of the moon landing?
Fuck right off.
I've seen the Epstein files that isn't as strong of a claim as you think it is.
We landed on the moon, I'm not saying otherwise.
But You cannot hold people not believing such an extraordinary claim accountable
Unless they are teaching it to others without doing the research.
It’s irrational to believe people get into metal tubes everyday and just go to the other side of the world.
The average man cannot verify a plane is capable of flight.
That’s what you sound like.