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Considering healthcare costs are ultimately socialized in some way or another, I think cigarette smoking bans make sense anywhere, but they make even more sense somewhere with universal healthcare...
Actually people growing old and developing dementia or Alzheimer are much more expensive than people dying (relatively) young of lung cancer from smoking.
Sure, but one of those is caused by negligence or willful neglect, the other is at this time considered incidental/accidental.
Seems obvious why one of them should be illegal, doesn't it?
Damnit John you have dementia because you worked at a dry cleaner doesn't ring quite the same way as Damnit John you have lung cancer because you smoked cigarettes everyday of your life.
Obviously you’re right, and morally this is terrible, but the other guy still has a point financially speaking. It doesn’t matter if it’s your fault or not, the best thing to happen to your social systems like public health care and retirement would be if you worked for 30 years and then died of a stroke or something fast like that. Cigarettes are great for that.
man that is a dark bleak way to view the world, I don't condemn it, but I also don't condone it.
People are not numbers.
I agree, it’s a terrible way to look at things and if someone actually thinks like that I would definitely assume they are a complete psychopath.
I just was trying to elaborate a bit on the point that that guy made. I don’t know if he came up with it on his own, but this whole issue is discussed in the movie „Thank you for smoking“
I would kinda disagree with you on the part about smoking being voluntary tho. Not a smoker anymore, but it’s by far the most addictive drug I know and I tried my share. I used to be quite addicted to Nicotine and it’s incredibly hard to get off it. To the point where I still get cravings years later when I walk past someone smoking. Most people start when they are kids and easily manipulated into it. Addiction is a sickness, not a choice.
We don’t have health care in the United States… maybe in Europe
article is about the uk mate.
Also, despite not having healthcare in the USA the costs are STILL eventually socialized, its just we give the companies socialized profits, instead of just paying the exact amount things cost... Like they do in a universal healthcare system.
What do you think hospitals do when too many bills go unpaid? They raise the prices for everyone else.
There is a single payer at the end of the day, its the rest of us.
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