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[–] pfried@reddthat.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

They are clearly mathematical. Starting with definitions and axioms and deriving results from there using mathematical statements.

[–] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

They are clearly mathematical.

Sure. But they're also philosophical. The categories aren't mutually exclusive. Basic set theory (which is both mathematics and philosophy).

[–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They all debated the question what being mathematical means there whole lives.

[–] pfried@reddthat.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

And we determined that the resulting incompleteness proofs are valid mathematical proofs whose logical correctness has been verified by computer. https://formalizedformallogic.github.io/Catalogue/Arithmetic/G___del___s-First-Incompleteness-Theorem/#goedel-1

[–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They already knew that. You're treading an old worn out logical positivist path, that was inspired by Wittgenstein who worked closely with Russell (both mathematicians and philosophers) and he later saw his error, rejected his positivist followers and explained how truth is not a correspondence to facts, rather meaning is derived from use in language. This applies to all languages, formal and informal, including math and logic.