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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 31 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Death penalty is inhumane, uncivilized, primitive, barbaric, and provably ineffective in reducing crime rates. We have countless of studies on this.

So while I agree with the underlying sentiment that corruption should be fought effectively, I would not go as far as to promote the death penalty.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, some deaths are worse than others. No, that still doesn't justify the death penalty in any way today.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

when you only complain about one, and not the other, is exactly the point

Like when people want to complain about the savagery of killing the Romanovs . . . and ignore how many peasant girls died of starvation for each Fabrege egg . . .

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

People can't deal with harsh reality like that espeshally if the cause and effect aren't obvious in front of them.

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip -5 points 3 months ago

Holy shit! That there is some Damn fine narrative. If one is likely to grab a gander in this convo, please do sayeth. Seriously, hoping you are enjoying it too!

[–] the_armchair_potato@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I disagree completely. I would go a step further and include any corrupt authority figure, including police officers, judges etc. Way too many dirtbags getting away with this shit and worse.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, getting away with it is obviously not what we want. But the death penalty doesn't change anything about that.

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Sounding French revolutionary, maybe just stick to lesser punishments for lesser offender.

[–] cockmushroom@reddthat.com -1 points 3 months ago

I'm not saying you're wrong, but sometimes the harm of keeping a person alive can outweigh the harm of killing them.

[+] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip -7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I politely disagree. This is truly a humanitarian viewpoint worthy of deliberation beyond what could be discussed in an online forum. Therefore no haste with this viewpoint. Perhaps a civilized discussion could be had without fleeing towards comforting conclusions and welcoming sideline discourse. I truly wish there weren’t a need. But for the love of Our Lord Almighty, may we be willing to listen and be as open minded & accepting with a sincerely open hearted view. However unfortunate, this resolution lay upon many/ and or some of us. I do believe that this scenario demands an appropriate and very pragmatic approach.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago

Appropriate and pragmatic, yes. The death penalty is neither.

[–] o0evillusion0o@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Chat GPT should leave god of his well-formulated but robotic sounding responses. Politely.

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

Ok hotshot, what’s your personal take on the issue?

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That was merely a figure of speech. I’ actually identify as an agnostic daoist. And no, that’s not AI. It was written by someone that tries to keep up their writing chops. It is my viewpoint that’s all.