Canada

Quality housing can't be free. If there's a cost, then someone is profiting

In a capitalist market yes. Not a nationalised one. Nationalised industries do not need to profit, only break even at most, and they can even run at a loss. No matter what thr cost is, it will be less than under private landlords who definitrly need to profit, and at an absurd rate, to cover their lifestyles.

whoever the landlord boogyman is you're targeti

Are you... really gonna pretend you've never heard of landlords and don't know what they are? How weird of you.

I'm not parroting any "talking points" for corporate giants, you need to get out more.

So, it's just a coincidence you're using the same arguments as them, eh?

Popular culture and echo chambers like this one might have you beaten down and convinced there's no way up, but that's what they want you to believe.

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Question for you.

When did I say there's "no way up"?

You are the one saying it's impossible, not me. You are the one saying there's no hope for change.

Hopeless drones are easier to control than thinking humans.

Yep, and that's what I'm trying to change. When all you care about is getting enough money to survive, to pay off rent and bills, you're right, you're nothing but a hopeless drone. I'm trying to tell people there is hope - and you're denying that, in fact, you're even denying there's a problem that needs to be fixed.

If you take control of your life at least you can be responsible for the outcome.

Yes, and as long as we're under the thumb of landlords, we will never be fully in control.

Personally even if I don't succeed, I find the prospect of self determinism preferable to waiting for a benevolent government to miracle my way to a better life.

This is exactly the type of propaganda i hear from landlords with 10 units. Strawmen paired with misleaning bootstrap rhetoric. "Even if i don't succeed" 99 out of 100 times. The self determination to end up on the street. The implication that it would take a miracle.

You self serving liar.

You're a fucking landlord, aren't you?

Large government does not exist to serve the regular person, it will grind you beneath its feet as assuredly as any corporate entity.

No matter what else changes, one thing remains the same.

Corporations need to make a profit. It is literally their only purpose. And they have all the power right now to dictate how they profit, whether it's by helping us or fucking us over. The fiction of needing ro provide a decent product or a helpful service to profit well is far in the past.

No government that didn't give a shit would nationalise housing. It would cost too much and be only in the people's benefit. The government would get absolutely nothing from it, other that pissing off all the billionaires and losing all their money.

Oh wait. That's losing something.

That's why they haven't done it. That's why it could only happen under a government that genuinely wants to and can work for the people.