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[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

I love when people reinvent ethnic essentialism. Every single culture that had the means and the opportunity to rape the land for profit has done it. The ones that didn't simply couldn't.

South American natives fight mining companies, but if they had the right to exploit the land themselves, do you think they would be any different from the North American natives who found oil on their lands and are happily fracking for it?

I agree, we gotta address the root of the problem: Extractivism, colonialism and infinite growth economies are just human by-products.

edit: I'm not gonna engage in talks about unicorns and rainbows, but I guess most of you must find Bakunin pretty misanthropic too because of his views on vesting men with power... just reflect about the quote, is the problem just power, or is men having power? OP's saints lack the power to rape the land, if you want to mention the goodness in humanity, show the societies that collectively rejected convenience at the cost of environmental destruction when they had the choice... all around the world, every group in power did the same thing when they had the opportunity, the saints that didn't conveniently lacked the power to do it anyway.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Every single culture that had the means and the opportunity to rape the land for profit has done it. The ones that didn't simply couldn't.

This is wildly inaccurate and borderline racist. Your culture revolving around resource extraction doesn’t mean everyone’s does, and it doesn’t mean that’s a cope they have because they’re too stupid to figure out how to do it.

As a single example, the Menominee developed commercial forestry practices in the 19th century that allowed them to perpetually harvest from a sustainable old growth forest instead of clear cutting everything. After decades of battling the US government over control of their forest, today it still stands. Anyone who thinks that they’re incapable of renting and operating a chainsaw and cutting everything down is just a racist. They don’t do it not because they can’t, they don’t do it because they don’t want to.

This story isn’t unique, indigenous groups all over the world do what they can through legal systems and direct action to protect the environment. This isn’t to say every indigenous person is morally pure or has these politics, it’s just that if you deny it’s a trend that exists you’re closing your eyes to reality.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To add onto this the Klamath peoples were notoriously individualistic and "industrious" in comparison to their neighbors and during the reservation period they did, comparitively, exceptionally well as there were similar cultural virtues around "profit". Thanks, in part, to both location and pre-contact culture they build a thriving lumber industry and by 1950 were one of the wealthiest tribes within the US and were the only tribes in the United States that paid for all federal, state and private services used by their members.

Obviously a 'worst case' for "raping the land for profit" right?

No. By 1950 the reservation has turned the "undesirable woodland" into a highly productive, healthy and sustainable forest and pastureland with by far the largest remaining stand of ponderosa pine in the west.

This, of course, could not stand and so the 1954 Klamath termination act was enacted. Originally the plan was to sell it all to private industry like Crown-Zellerbach, however the "lumber industry's concern with how the increase in Klamath Forest timber would saturate the industry" resulted instead in creating the Winema and Fremont National Forests. Which of course have been heavily logged and largely mismanaged, but not nearly as bad as the plan was and certainly worse than when humans were more active in helping to maintain it.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago

Thank you for sharing this info! I’ll have to look up more about the Klamath and their history, it sounds really interesting

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