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[–] 712@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I think it’s important to note that these models are open-WEIGHT and not open-SOURCE. Open-source would mean we could explore the training data itself. Open-weight models are great, but please let’s not call them open-source.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's like an open-source distro that won't work without an accompanying opaque binary blob.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Distro was the wrong word. I should have said "package" (though there are also distros that attempt to eliminate blobs within their packages). Examples include manufacturer-issued device drivers, software that allows integration of GPUs, several parts of Android that integrate with the underlying hardware, firmware of various sorts, and I can't be arsed to remember more at the moment.

[–] motruck@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It is more a question of what hardware is like that and if you look up firmware blobs for Linux you'll find a lot, starting with graphic cards.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's the hardware not the distro

[–] motruck@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah and the hardware is what requires blobs regardless of the distro.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

It wouldn't require blobs if the driver code were open-sourced.

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Nemotron Ultra is a open source and already gives DeepSeek R1 performance (admittedly not that good anymore). NVIDIA has open sourced the entire training process, including raw datasets and synthetic data generation. The raw data is mostly curated web crawl data.

[–] eicker@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Perfect shouldn’t become the enemy of better. Open Weight AI isn’t Open Source AI, but it’s a huge improvement over Closed AI where you get neither the weights nor the training pipeline.

[–] TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

But to put it another way, what would you say to stalling tactics on the climate? What we need is “perfect” and they are only offering us bottom line-friendly “better”?

“X-1” doesn’t solve the equation “x-1(x/1000),” know what I mean?

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (4 children)

The EU's AI Act calls them open source, so that ship has sailed.

[–] 712@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 4 days ago

Just because a law mislabels something doesn’t mean we need/should follow that.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 6 points 4 days ago

"See, you can see the code in binary, it is open source" :D

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 days ago

Yeah, but when 99% of the complexity of an app is in its config, having the config not be open is effectively the same as the app being closed-source.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

According to EU law carrot is fruit.