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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

“If you have vast numbers of robots with vast amounts of digital intelligence, you have a sort of a quasi-infinite economy,” said Musk

That's absolutely insane, and has no basis even in the hypothetical reality he proposes.
Very obviously Robots + intelligence <> infinite resources.

He has lost it completely.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He’s been saying stuff like this for decades and people chewed it up and ate it and called him genius.

[–] TotalCourage007@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Its why I still clown on Maga nutjobs in comments every now and then. My favorite is when i get to Troll with Bubba commentary. We've got the most openly progressive president thanks to Epstein guys!

[–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't think that's nonsense.

In principle, if you have robots which can do all the work then the amount of stuff available becomes decoupled from the number of people to provide it.

The whole concept of there not being enough of something to go around goes away, because if you don't have enough of something you tell the robots to build some more robots to make that thing.

This presumes much more capable robots than we're able to make, of course, and also that there's an unlimited amount of raw resource available. That could be the case if you're able to send to robots to mine the asteroid belt, but it certainly isn't the case now.

That isn't actually infinite, of course, but I don't think it's unreasonable to describe the economic equivalent of "all you can eat" as "quasi-infinite", if you're feeling grandiose.

It's also not going to happen in the immediate future, because the technology simply isn't there yet, but people who have drunk the AI kool-aid seriously believe it.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

then the amount of stuff available becomes decoupled from the number of people to provide it.

That has nothing to do with AI, we already have autonomous manufacturing. So "stuff" is already decoupled from the amount of people available in many cases. And it still doesn't create infinite resources.

[–] topperharlie@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think your parent comment was referring to what Space Karen was saying and not just the most utopian future vision.

First, you need robots and AI advanced, general purpose and reliable enough to a point where we are not even close to imagine. Contrary to what Space Karen suggests, which is always 3 years away.

Second, we still have the HUGE problem of raw materials and energy limitations, which is another huge problem we've been trying to solve for the whole history of humanity, a couple of meme generating LLMs will not help with that.

Third, you really need a 180 in economy global system in order to avoid any of the distopian alternatives: either the rich enslaving all the poor, the poor killing all the rich, or any combination. I don't believe for a fraction of a second that Space Karen is thinking on any utopian future in which he is not the most rich person, and his argument is that money doesn't mean anything with robotics.

So, lets first focus on the global transformation of people having their needs fulfilled first and then we can think on a future that is, at very best, decades away anyway (the jumps AI, robotics and energy production have to make in a fundamental level are crazy to think will happen in the next 10-20 years)

So, as a thought experiment? sure, but you and me will be dead before that can be achieved. as any argument to make any of the Space Karen companies seem valuable or worthy of any tax advantage? Fuck nope

  1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNbFPOUrz8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S67z2aekBrI

We're really not that far. We could honestly just do more of what we've been doing to get there with robotics, 5 more years of this even with the worst version is probably enough to get chore robots done.

Second, we still have the HUGE problem of raw materials and energy limitations

Human need is finite, we have already mined up enough stuff for all humans, and humans don't reproduce at the replacement rate in fully developed nations. Robots that can manufacture solar panels fully autonomously is all it takes to fix energy limitations, and recyclings only problem is that it's more economical to mine new things.

Third, you really need a 180 in economy global system in order to avoid any of the distopian alternatives: either the rich enslaving all the poor, the poor killing all the rich, or any combination.

Why bother in a world of complete abundance? The only real example of completely senseless violence in humans is religious, outside of this it is all resource based.