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Will Bunch expresses what I've been thinking since Trump was elected. American democracy is under attack from within. The fascists who yearn for an authoritarian government in the media are promoting it, and the media who supposedly don't support it fail to recognize it. They are busy trying to follow the political playbook of the 20th century.

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[–] cryball@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Congress members and senators still showed up to work, and the decisions they took still mattered, even if some of the Republicans were constantly violating precedents and norms. The judicial system still kept churning and mostly following the laws and precedents, even if Trump appointed a lot of unqualified partisan judges.

From an outside perspective this is a good demonstration that while your system is somewhat flawed, it's still resilient. By flawed I mean mainly the two party system and stuff like judges being appointed by politicians. However if your system didn't have some builtin failsafes, it would have been much more vulnerable to influence from unwanted sources.

Even if most trump voters wanted to turn the US into a proper aristocracy, (some right wingers actually do*), the process would have been much more complicated in comparison to countries that have become dictatorships in the past decades.

*I'm referring to a somewhat new trend, where influential people are claiming that the US is suffering from a dumb population, and that experts should be given more power.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All things considered, I think our institutions are holding up pretty well. The coup attempt failed and the election was certified. Trump tried to coerce Georgia into falsifying the election results and failed. Trump stole classified documents and the agencies responsible for that escalated appropriately to the point where he got raided by the FBI. The DOJ is prosecuting all these accordingly. It took longer than I would like but overall it's going pretty well.

We have enormous issues to address but it's hard to attend to domestic policy if our democracy is effectively destroyed with the inauguration of a tyrant who stole an election. That's pretty much game over..

[–] cryball@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

This was well put and a good summary of the situation!

In a less resilient democracy attempts of interference in the election process might not cause the same uproar it has in the US.

This also works the other way. The prosecution of Trump seems to be handled with care to ensure that the charges are justifiable. In non democratic countries a political opponent would first go to jail and then the prosecutors would try to invent some kind of corruption charge.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

What exactly do you mean by "aristocracy"? You could argue that that's what the US already is. Lobbying by the very rich means they get their way much more often than the majority of the population gets their way. Even many of the senators and congress people are deci or centi-millionaires.

I'd say the Trump voters want a fascist state with some hints of democracy remaining. They want rich people (other than Trump) to have less of a voice than they currently do, and they're willing to give up many democratic aspects of the current system to get it. I think most of them would still like to be able to vote for things, and would still want their votes to matter. But, I think they'd be willing to give up many of their rights as long as the strong man in charge hurts the right people.