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Why 1 week? Just do it indefinitely. Don't tell them you're coming back, make them have to entice your back. That's how you actually claim material wins. Otherwise they'll just treat you like a whining toddler and wait out your tantrum.
Announcing the end of a protest or boycott has always been the stupidest idea to me. Why give the enemy so much leverage?
If you have to be digital anyway, move to the platform that respects you. Or at least the one where you have more control. And where there are indie titles out the wazoo. And you don't have to pay an additional subscription just to play with your friends.
And while you boycott with no end, contact legislative representatives and organize groups to visit their offices and speak to them to ensure our rights to own when we purchase. Work with SKG and ensure art is allowed to continue existing.
Wouldn't even be surprised if Sony organised this it's so pathetic. Let's people vent for a week and then all over I guess. Why would they even bother changing?
proper boycotts were outdoors.
C👔s actually fled for their lives.
This is a performance.
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It's assimilation to a system rather than a rejection to change it.
Boycotting with a small window, isn't the whole war, it's just one shot fired. It gives them an idea of the numbers involved, the amount of people who disagree with their policy, and an idea we won't just forget and roll over. If they ignore the first shot fired, you fire more, and you get bigger with every shot fired. It's got to effect their bottom line, or they will ignore it. People who entirely abstain are just measured as not in the argument at all. You don't give them pressure by never owning a PlayStation. You just aren't a customer. They count customers. It would even be worthwhile to create a PlayStation account, log in the day before the boycott, and log out for the duration, then log in again the day after the end, so you have a measurable voice in the movement. If you went to their offices, you would just look clinically unhinged, and they would just involve police, and ignore you.
I hate to say it, but your argument is just about assimilation to a system and working within it. You've already succumbed to fear and are attempting to be accepted, working within the boundaries of the corporation rather than trying to affect change.
Why must we "give them an idea." Just do what you say in the very next line:
Don't announce an ending to it. Your idea of "let's fire one shot, and another, and another" is an assimilation tactic within the system, not revolutionary and really only succeeds in exhausting those who seek to fight back.
If they have less customers, does that not affect the bottom line? If they have less customers, and less capture of new customers, is that not...less customers? Therefore less potential ad delivery, less potential to purchase on the storefront, all leading to a lower bottom line?
Delete your account. By your same logic above, this would be the most devastating to their bottom line. Not only would they lose customer count, but they lose retention. Logging back in shows that they have nothing to worry about. It looks performative rather than a rejection of the systems in place. Deleted accounts are more powerful than people going on vacation for a week. I promise you that that doesn't even register within account tracking and finance systems.
Sounds like you still fear them and aren't willing to show true resolve. You're conceding before you've even done anything. Why is it "clinically unhinged" to exercise a first amendment right? It's the first amendment for a reason. Showing up en masse to peacefully protest would do more than "logging out for a week." That's just a vacation. That is where time should be spent by organizers, instead.of organizing 23 weeklong boycotts across the next 2 years, organize a protest and help folks get there with a cohesive message and demands. And, arguably, executives should be scared. They use fear against us all the time, fear we'll lose our purchases, fear we'll lose our jobs, our healthcare. The point of a protest, the point of a boycott, is to remind them who holds the power.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. Depending on what your aim is there, which isn't really explained in anything you have said.
I think we're talking about entirely different things. And different wants for outcome. I don't necessarily advocate personally for the efforts they've exampled, I just saw you didn't seem to understand their logic. So I explained what they aim for.
They aim to let PlayStation see the numbers in agreement behind the want for physical media. That's it. Just physical media. Stopping within a time frame, as a group, speaks volumes for that.
I'm entirely unclear on what you're trying to actually achieve, though. You want to abstain from PlayStation forever, that's it? I don't see why you are engaging in discussion about it, if you're just done, be done.
If you have a free week to sit outside some PlayStation headquarters, go do. I would suggest less people have that ability, than the number that have the ability to show, how many in numbers they are, by abstaining for a week.
I'm also not American and I don't live in America. If you think your way is better, rather than sprout off, go gather numbers and organise.
The main thing I'm aiming for is, I imagine, the same. Sony to reverse course and/or regulations/legislation to be implemented in favor of consumer protections.
I agree with all of that. What I disagree with is the method of affecting change. Sony already sees the reaction and I'm sure its outlasted their initial expectations. Again, a week of people not signing in is a blip on the radar. I say this as someone in the tech industry. And more than just physical discs, which is a big part, I do believe this is about the consumer protections they offer as well, which have been peeled back with day 1 patches, keys on cards and discs rather than files, etc.
As I mentioned above, my goal would be to preserve physical media and consumer protections in regards to games. To accomplish this you need to appear as a credible threat to the bottom line, not throwing a temper tantrum that can be calculated and waited out. I, already, am done personally, but this is a public forum. Others who are aligned can see and learn from discussion.
Less people do have that ability. That is exactly why mentioned that organizers' time would be better spent organizing mass mobilization instead of multiple intermittent blackouts.
And I already have, not for Sony, but for ICE, Tesla Takedown, and DeFlock. I'm working on helping fight against the privacy invasion and laws we're facing regarding age verification, digital personal privacy, etc. I'm only one person though. I'm recommending to the organizers of this boycott on more effective strategies to achieve their outcomes and would even further recommend aligning with the SKG movements as they should be aligned in these goals, preserving games and media.