Still, as Reddit is strong-arming its way across, maybe worth signaling to people there that the fediverse may be used without an account, so long as there's even one instance that implements logged-out view as the protocol allows it?

I don't have access to my account any longer, possibly VPN ban, though I never tried to recover it so I can only guess why mine is lost, else I'd post myself.

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[–] TheKaul@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I believe Lemmy has the potential for a wider range of discussion and debate than Reddit, or any other social media platform I've been on, simply because of the defederated & community-based system. The issue, as you describe, seems to be saying the wrong thing in the wrong place, which, to be honest, is similar to the real world. There are a lot of topics people probably shouldn't talk about in public, but it's normally fine for them to talk about in their chosen groups/community. Lemmy just kind of brings these groups and communities closer together, igniting more discussion, but simultaneously causing issues you describe.

For example, you can't walk up to a group of homosexuals and try to convince them they shouldn't be gay. You can discuss topics related to LGBT+ rights of course, but there are definitely off-limit discussions in that group, same as any other group. I think it's a matter of paying attention to where you are in the Fediverse and who may be reading your response before blurting out what's on your mind.

On the comment about tessaract; I cannot agree on the idea that the dev of tessaract was "right" about toxicity. Even if he was, he was in no place to take it into his own hands to address (especially in a secretive way). Lemmy is a community-based platform and we need to figure that stuff out as a community. We don't have a corporate-level moderation team ensuring the platform is safe for those under 18, and we don't have anyone enforcing political views in any way other than in specific communities (who have every right to enforce their chosen views). Just as some say we wouldn't need police if we had strong communities, the same goes here, strong communities are the key. If you see a lot of toxicity where you browse, maybe your chosen community just isn't a healthy one.

[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I believe Lemmy has the potential for a wider range of discussion and debate than Reddit, or any other social media platform I've been on, simply because of the defederated & community-based system.

In theory, I agree with you - and that was my very hope when I first got into the fediverse. Unfortunately, the reality has proven to be different...

The issue, as you describe, seems to be saying the wrong thing in the wrong place, which, to be honest, is similar to the real world.

Except it's much, much worse than in the real world. I've been in circles with right wingers, and I am notoriously stubborn about not hiding my viewpoint (which very often clashes with that of right wingers), and even there the reaction is less crazy than on Lemmy.

For example, you can't walk up to a group of homosexuals and try to convince them they shouldn't be gay.

That's not the kind of thing I'm talking about. Of course something like that would go over like a lead balloon - in that case also because that's borderline in factual in its assumptions. A better comparison would be a conversation naturally wondering to the risks of anal sex if not done carefully and being chastised and banned for that.

Even if he was, he was in no place to take it into his own hands to address (especially in a secretive way).

I neither said nor implied that, in fact I said quite the opposite...

If you see a lot of toxicity where you browse, maybe your chosen community just isn't a healthy one.

And that's exactly the problem. More work. More digging. More research. People come to these sites to have fun and often don't have the patience nor the interest to filter through all the communities.

[–] TheKaul@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago

I think we may just not view Lemmy in the same way. I don't see these sites as "fun". Sure there are funny memes, but it's also news and meta discussions about very recent topics. If I wanted to open something to have fun it'd probably be a video game or something.

Big tech makes it easy for people to use. They want the biggest and bestest userbases with the simplest interface... Lemmy does not care how big it is, it's all about organic growth, and Lemmy by itself doesn't have a very nice interface. I'd bet most people come here because they want to get away from the others, not because they want to add it to their list of feeds to browse. That being said, people making an effort to get away from the biggest and easiest platforms are probably more likely to put effort in to cater their feeds to their own interests and viewpoints.

Also I must've misunderstood your comment on Patrick originally so that's my bad.

[–] amio@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I believe in reality, the kneejerk reddit mod multiban just transitioned seamlessly into fediverse multibans and defederations - I know, who could've foreseen such shit. Some defederation happened for good reasons, but I've been cluster banned from a bunch of communities I never even been in as a "lemmy.world zionist", apparently, and that last bit is news to me at least. People bring their sad, incredibly petty bullshit with them.

People here are no fonder of "alternate viewpoints" than on reddit, you can tell the hivemind kicking in just from the person who pointed out a couple of blatantly realistic issues 8 seconds ago.